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DarthCloakedDwarf

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The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« on: May 15, 2010, 04:05:25 pm »

Could you, theorhetically, destroy an aquifer by mining it out entirely (assuming it does not go to the edge of the map) using the Moses effect (screw pumps pumping out faster than water can flow in)?
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2010, 04:23:34 pm »

Disclaimer:  I'm not positive either way but here is my guess.

I don't believe you can mine right up to the edge of the map and so that last bit of aquifer would still let water flow in :(

Hopefully a more experienced player can verify or correct that statement.
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2010, 04:26:06 pm »

Disclaimer:  I'm not positive either way but here is my guess.

I don't believe you can mine right up to the edge of the map and so that last bit of aquifer would still let water flow in :(

Hopefully a more experienced player can verify or correct that statement.

#1: Getting an aquifer that does not touch at least 1 edge is going to be nigh impossible.

#2: You cannot dig out the last tile on the edge so water will always flow in from that one side

#3: You can use magma to solve these problems
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2010, 04:27:54 pm »

Disclaimer:  I'm not positive either way but here is my guess.

I don't believe you can mine right up to the edge of the map and so that last bit of aquifer would still let water flow in :(

Hopefully a more experienced player can verify or correct that statement.

#1: Getting an aquifer that does not touch at least 1 edge is going to be nigh impossible.

#2: You cannot dig out the last tile on the edge so water will always flow in from that one side

#3: You can use magma to solve these problems
#1. Right now, one of my fortresses has a really, really weird map where there are pillars (yes, pillars) of aquifer-soil randomly spread throughout the map. They are irritating.

#2. Irrelevant due to #1.

#3. That doesn't get rid of the problem, it just makes it easier to ignore.
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2010, 04:31:58 pm »

Well, sure.  Moses the water out and kill all the aquifer tiles.  If you do have an edge problem, Moses the water out and smooth the sides that can't be dug.  Aquifer defeated?
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2010, 04:33:15 pm »

Well, sure.  Moses the water out and kill all the aquifer tiles.  If you do have an edge problem, Moses the water out and smooth the sides that can't be dug.  Aquifer defeated?
I don't think you can smoothe dirt.
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2010, 04:40:04 pm »

cast a ring of obsidian around the edge of the map insulating those edge aquifers from the interior of the map, mine out the rest of the layer, pour magma over it, no more aquifer to worry about.
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2010, 05:00:18 pm »

cast a ring of obsidian around the edge of the map insulating those edge aquifers from the interior of the map, mine out the rest of the layer, pour magma over it, no more aquifer to worry about.
That's not a bad idea. In fact, I think I shall do this.
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2010, 05:00:49 pm »

Well, sure.  Moses the water out and kill all the aquifer tiles.  If you do have an edge problem, Moses the water out and smooth the sides that can't be dug.  Aquifer defeated?
I don't think you can smoothe dirt.

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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2010, 05:18:04 pm »

Well, sure.  Moses the water out and kill all the aquifer tiles.  If you do have an edge problem, Moses the water out and smooth the sides that can't be dug.  Aquifer defeated?
I don't think you can smoothe dirt.

Constructed walls, padawan.
Dwarves don't build on water.
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #10 on: May 15, 2010, 05:28:54 pm »

Well, sure.  Moses the water out and kill all the aquifer tiles.  If you do have an edge problem, Moses the water out and smooth the sides that can't be dug.  Aquifer defeated?
I don't think you can smoothe dirt.

Constructed walls, padawan.
Dwarves don't build on water.

Even 1/7?
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2010, 05:30:53 pm »

They do, if you pump out fast enough. May need a few tries until someone decides to build, when the water's gone, but it works. I've done it many times and it's one of the most interesting ways to go through an aquifer. Magma ist always the better solution but in v31 magma pipes are so rare, you'd have to breach the aquifer to reach it anyway.
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2010, 06:16:26 pm »

Well, sure.  Moses the water out and kill all the aquifer tiles.  If you do have an edge problem, Moses the water out and smooth the sides that can't be dug.  Aquifer defeated?
I don't think you can smoothe dirt.

Constructed walls, padawan.
Dwarves don't build on water.

Even 1/7?

Doesn't matter, you can't build walls at the very edge of the map anyway.  8)
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2010, 06:34:13 pm »

Well, you can build raising bridges, if you really want to...   ;)
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Re: The Moses Effect and Aquifers
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2010, 08:10:15 pm »

Well, sure.  Moses the water out and kill all the aquifer tiles.  If you do have an edge problem, Moses the water out and smooth the sides that can't be dug.  Aquifer defeated?
I don't think you can smoothe dirt.
Constructed walls, padawan.
I don't think you can smooth those either.  :P
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