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[Org]

Now, you can't really read into a game you haven't played.

...What is that supposed to mean?

Yeah. That was bad.

You can't read into a player when you haven't played with them.

[Lonewolf I]

To goad Org into responding. I'll switch my vote to ToonyMan before the day ends if nothing happens to change my opinion.

You're not going to get a genuine reaction from someone if you see you are voting them for a reaction.

Can you show me where I haven't been attacking?  Because I remember attacking people.

I could care less about the reaction being genuine.  A reaction of some sort is all I wanted.

Where you haven't been attacking:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

#27, 35, 37, 42, 57, 85 - Effectively lack substance.
#144

Man, I missed out on Kamina quote night.
Just for everyone around here, NUKE is a very dangerous mafia player so just be all 'round aggressive to everyone or else you're going nowhere.


Webadict and Ottofar situation,
Winner is Webadict, you want to know why?  I'll tell you, Ottofar you fell for Webadict's trap he does every game.  When Webadict does a vote in RVS he likes to use fallacious or something you don't want to do later on in the game, in this case he did something or another I don't remember what and you bit the trap.  You became highly defensive and after finding out your mistake tried too hard to cover up.

Jim Groovy,
From another game I can tell Jim is not likely scum because of his hammy scum hunting behavior, which isn't a bad thing.

Ethereal.Frog,
Ugh, this is one of the worst situations in mafia.  Think of it like Org, but a new player that doesn't keep sucking.  Frog, this is for you buddy, map yourself a new town game right now.  This reminds me of Diakron in a way and I always fell for it, lynching town constantly.  Clean up or you will be lynched.

Toaster,
Don't say something you did was a joke, that doesn't work.

Pandarsenic,
Unvote, I'm done RVing now.


Ottofar, your reaction unnerves me to no end.

Finally! Wait, no. Just some summaries of ongoing conflicts and you hopped onto Ottofar, a safe vote considering Solifuge's position at the time.
#174 - Called Webadict into question.
#177, 181 - No substance. Again. Looks like activelurking.
#263 - Another false alarm.  Posted to say you're keeping your vote on Ottofar.  No accusations.  No questioning.  Just jokes and advice.
#285 - You finally jump on the Forsaken wagon.  Props to you, scum.  Trying to look like you're reluctant to take the easy lynch.
#295 - Pithy comment on the events of night one.
#301

Leafsnail, who do you think is scum?

Your first genuine effort at scumhunting, if I were to assume you're town.
#307 - Reiterating your reason for voting Forsaken.
#331, 335

I voted Leafsnail for a list of suspicions, I am not being passive.

I'm trying to piece together what happened last night.

Man, can noone else see the scumminess?  ARGH

TOONYMAN IS SCUM

Criptfeind and NUKE killed each other.
Jim was killed by a vig.
Mr.Person was killed by something, it just says he disappeared.

Now Leafsnail, can you give a better explanation than a "look it up yourself haha"?

And Jokerman, you're being my #2 scum right now.

One of your teammates killed Mr.Person.

Let's see your list.  Oh, right. You don't have one. Scum.
#349 - Defending yourself with sarcasm and metaphor, rather than attacking Leaf and/or Toaster.  Presumably because you have nothing on them, being scum.
#352, 355 - We're back to lacking substance.
#357 - A halfway reasonable attempt to attack Leaf back, but not nearly enough to clear yourself.
#359 - Intuition is practically all this game runs on the first day or three.  Buddying Org, though.  I'll have to look into that.  You could be accusing your scumbuddies to clear yourself.
#361 - Defining intuition. No substance.
#363 - Defending yourself from Jokerman. No scumhunting.
#365 - Repeating yourself.
#367 - You finally get into gear and attack leafsnail back.
#370 - Nothing.
#381 - Defending your scumbuddy, Org.
#387 - Extend.
#404 - Defending yourself from me.

This entire time you've been activelurking to a ridiculous degree.  The one or two instances where you actually pretend to scumhunt are provoked, and lack any kind of proof.

So then, what mistakes did you think Ethereal.Frog made, and how would you have done things differently, Mr. Wolfrog I?

This quote from Janus effectively sums up the mistakes he made. As an added bonus, he tossed in a summary of my reasons for suspecting Org at the end.

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I had a post here where I laid all my thoughts bare and ended with a sentence that included too much strike-through.. Then I accidentally hit mouse4 and lost the post. Too bad.

Type in a seperate program.  Or get Lazurus if you use Firefox.  Or come up with a better excuse if you are trying to pretend to have more content than you actually do if that's the case.

See, I was going to vote for webadict because I am a complete noob and have no idea what's going and he has a couple of votes on him already. My actual reasoning for this doesn't work at all though, now that I've actually looked at it. The idea was I'd conform to stuff to avoid drawing attention to myself, but then later I was like "hold on that's stupid."  But I was really suspecting you, Jim, because of how defensive youwere over there when Toaster made a simple joke. And all the hate. But I also forget what most people posted in between then and now. And I'm [n]to lazy[/b] to read them all again.

First one is a classic example of bandwagoning.  Scummy, especially the way you were going to do it.  Second is something scum need to do.  The only time I can think of for town to avoid attention is in a game with a single cop and you're the cop.  In a role-heavy game like Paranormal, town should not try to avoid attention.  The third is just generally a bad excuse.

Now I realize that I've fucked myself over horribly by jumping on what seemed like a reasonably suspicion.  Oh well. Wonder how long I'll last. I seriously have no idea what to do now. Probably just hop on the Solifuge wagon then lay down and wait to die. Yeah, that sounds good. I'm thinking today is my death. If not today, definitely tomorrow.

Solifuge

The suspicion was reasonable enough, it's how you worded it that was awful.  And scummy.  And this *really* *really* doesn't help matters.  Giving up == scummy.  Not scum hunting == scummy.  Bandwagoning == scummy (especially how you're doing it). 

Don't give up until you're dead.  Not even then if there's a Medium around.

Org, you're still being less than helpful.  To top it off, you're lurking more than most games I've seen you in.  You're scum.  If you're not scum, I'm still leaning towards lynching you so we don't get to the end game and have to figure out how to read your lack of posts.

Looks to me like most of his mistakes stem from apathy and newbishness. I think he really did just give up and walk away.

Now, you can't really read into a game you haven't played.

...What is that supposed to mean?

Yeah. That was bad.

You can't read into a player when you haven't played with them.

And this definitely qualifies as some sort of reaction.  Org, you are now my number two choice for scum.  Rather than questioning my ability to read into things, how about we start seeing some results from your own.  It's fine that you suspect Webadict of being the Exterminator. In fact, I agree with you on that. However, hunting him to the exclusion of all else makes it look, to me, like you're covering for your scumbuddies.

[ToonyMan]

I began fresh with a RV on Leafsnail, then genuinely attacked Ottofar yesterday, and then voted Forsaken because he was acting more scummy than Ottofar.

Today I began fresh with Leafsnail and worked from there with still Leafsnail and now you.

A reaction of some sort?  Every question you ask is going to get a reaction of some sort, you aren't going to get what you want if you go accept anything!  That just makes it sound like you just want to pad your way through the day oh I don't know active lurking.  You accused me of being passive by making a list and you make the exact same thing in the post above me!

For my attacks that lack "proof" which is preposterous in the first place, I don't have concrete proof!  Unless you know something that I don't know I attack people the way they act or behave.  I don't make up something which makes no sense or make up concrete proof by lying.

You going to stop being a hypocrite scum and stop your passivity and active lurking so far?

[ToonyMan]

Unvote.  Vote Lonewolf I.

[Lonewolf I]

So then, what mistakes did you think Ethereal.Frog made, and how would you have done things differently, Mr. Wolfrog I?

Forgot to answer that last part. Sorry.  I'd have recreated the thoughtful post, or, better yet, written it in Notepad.  I think I'd have paid attention to the Ottofar/Webadict conflict, and ultimately side with Webadict.  I did not see anything suspicious about Jim when I was reading the early posts. You would never see anything like his last post out of me.  That was just plain stupid.  I suppose I should count myself fortunate that you all jumped Forsaken and forgot about him, even though it ended in a Townie lynch.  As far as what I would have done during the time he was absent, I would have been working my own scumhunt, and would likely have joined in lynching Forsaken if it yielded no fruit.  I didn't get any real suspicions of my own until the first few pages of day two when I read through the thread.

[ToonyMan]

You are ignoring me scum.

[Lonewolf I]

A reaction of some sort?  Every question you ask is going to get a reaction of some sort, you aren't going to get what you want if you go accept anything!  That just makes it sound like you just want to pad your way through the day oh I don't know active lurking.  You accused me of being passive by making a list and you make the exact same thing in the post above me!

For my attacks that lack "proof" which is preposterous in the first place, I don't have concrete proof!  Unless you know something that I don't know I attack people the way they act or behave.  I don't make up something which makes no sense or make up concrete proof by lying.

You going to stop being a hypocrite scum and stop your passivity and active lurking so far?

Concrete proof?  I expect nothing concrete at this phase.  You make claims but fail to provide the supporting logic, or at least indicate where your ideas are coming from.  This is what I mean by proof.

I have yet to see you attack someone outright.  You waited for someone else to attack you, and you've been defending yourself ever since.  I haven't seen a single instance of you taking initiative and leading the charge against your own suspected scum without provocation.

[Org]

What.
You dont want to go after someone YOU THINK IS AN EXTERM.?

[ToonyMan]

A reaction of some sort?  Every question you ask is going to get a reaction of some sort, you aren't going to get what you want if you go accept anything!  That just makes it sound like you just want to pad your way through the day oh I don't know active lurking.  You accused me of being passive by making a list and you make the exact same thing in the post above me!

For my attacks that lack "proof" which is preposterous in the first place, I don't have concrete proof!  Unless you know something that I don't know I attack people the way they act or behave.  I don't make up something which makes no sense or make up concrete proof by lying.

You going to stop being a hypocrite scum and stop your passivity and active lurking so far?

Concrete proof?  I expect nothing concrete at this phase.  You make claims but fail to provide the supporting logic, or at least indicate where your ideas are coming from.  This is what I mean by proof.

I have yet to see you attack someone outright.  You waited for someone else to attack you, and you've been defending yourself ever since.  I haven't seen a single instance of you taking initiative and leading the charge against your own suspected scum without provocation.

You should look better because I have.  You see here I like to keep a balance between attacking and defending so I don't end up "everyone ignores you Webadict" aggressive or "scummy" defensive or whatever.

Yeah, if it's not concrete proof then it must be from judging what others say, I don't see why you had to fix yourself with that, it makes no sense!  I support my accusations the best I can, but it's not concrete!  You don't seem to understand that and are confusing everyone.

You must be blind because I am attacking you right now.  Maybe you should spend more time actually playing mafia.

[Leafsnail]

Now, you can't really read into a game you haven't played.

...What is that supposed to mean?

Yeah. That was bad.

You can't read into a player when you haven't played with them.

So what is he meant to do, considering he hasn't played with any of us before?

I began fresh with a RV on Leafsnail, then genuinely attacked Ottofar yesterday, and then voted Forsaken because he was acting more scummy than Ottofar.

Today I began fresh with Leafsnail and worked from there with still Leafsnail and now you.

A reaction of some sort?  Every question you ask is going to get a reaction of some sort, you aren't going to get what you want if you go accept anything!  That just makes it sound like you just want to pad your way through the day oh I don't know active lurking.  You accused me of being passive by making a list and you make the exact same thing in the post above me!

For my attacks that lack "proof" which is preposterous in the first place, I don't have concrete proof!  Unless you know something that I don't know I attack people the way they act or behave.  I don't make up something which makes no sense or make up concrete proof by lying.

You going to stop being a hypocrite scum and stop your passivity and active lurking so far?

I don't see any active lurking from Lone Wolf... he's just been attacking you.  I don't see how going straight for one person and attacking them could possibly be seen as active lurking.  Tunneling, maybe... but you obviously can't make such an accusation.

Your last post seems to flip the hell out over a small point.

[Lonewolf I]

What.
You dont want to go after someone YOU THINK IS AN EXTERM.?

I do think he's an exterm, and I do think we should go after him. My concern with you is that you're doing nothing else, and you could be using the suspicions on Webadict as a safe harbor to pretend to scumhunt while protecting your buddies.  What is your opinion on the Me/Leafsnail vs Toonyman conflict?  Who do you think the three remaining dopps are?

@ Someone other than Org, Webadict, or Tooneyman: Am I underestimating the importance of finding the Exty early?  If I am, I will drop my pursuit of Org, and turn my attentions elsewhere.

You should look better because I have.  You see here I like to keep a balance between attacking and defending so I don't end up "everyone ignores you Webadict" aggressive or "scummy" defensive or whatever.

Yeah, if it's not concrete proof then it must be from judging what others say, I don't see why you had to fix yourself with that, it makes no sense!  I support my accusations the best I can, but it's not concrete!  You don't seem to understand that and are confusing everyone.

You must be blind because I am attacking you right now.  Maybe you should spend more time actually playing mafia.

You haven't attacked a single person who did not attack you first.  Any time you haven't been under attack, you've been activelurking.

[ToonyMan]

@Lonewolf I,
When I explain something I explain it.  I really can't get any simpler than what I just said.  I support what I say by providing quotes and referring to things that actually happened.  You don't seem to understand that and I fear in the near future you're going to keep pulling that same phrase over and over again to make my attempts seem negligible and ineffective Lonewolf I.  Doing that isn't helpful to town, it just makes a whole page or two a repeating clusternut, which in turn makes the town (if they happen to be so) lazy.  I do not want this because it will most definitely hurt town's chances to find the remaining three scum and exterminator.  Who we want dead, and being all reassured because there is more of us is NOT okay!  Dead and earlier is what we are going to do OK?

Now Lonewolf, are you going to repeat the same accusation to waste time like the scum you are, going to keep your third bandwagon vote on me, relax your way to the end of the day, and not have me to worry about?  Because you do I have me to worry about, I am not going to let town go soft.  This is expected of all of us.

Pandarsenic, don't join games if your to busy taking a trillion exams.
Webadict is not posting as much as he usually does, lurking is not Webadict...
Org, be helpful scumguin.
Jokerman, stop being passive you weakling town or more appropriately SCUM.
Leafsnail, attacking me for voting who I thought was most scum, just stupid.

Right now my thoughts are this,

Dopps,
Leafsnail
Jokerman
Lonewolf I

Exterminator,
Webadict or Org

I began fresh with a RV on Leafsnail, then genuinely attacked Ottofar yesterday, and then voted Forsaken because he was acting more scummy than Ottofar.

Today I began fresh with Leafsnail and worked from there with still Leafsnail and now you.

A reaction of some sort?  Every question you ask is going to get a reaction of some sort, you aren't going to get what you want if you go accept anything!  That just makes it sound like you just want to pad your way through the day oh I don't know active lurking.  You accused me of being passive by making a list and you make the exact same thing in the post above me!

For my attacks that lack "proof" which is preposterous in the first place, I don't have concrete proof!  Unless you know something that I don't know I attack people the way they act or behave.  I don't make up something which makes no sense or make up concrete proof by lying.

You going to stop being a hypocrite scum and stop your passivity and active lurking so far?

I don't see any active lurking from Lone Wolf... he's just been attacking you.  I don't see how going straight for one person and attacking them could possibly be seen as active lurking.  Tunneling, maybe... but you obviously can't make such an accusation.

Lonewolf shouldn't incorrectly accuse me of active lurking.

Your last post seems to flip the hell out over a small point.

Finding small detail in everything is how you catch scum.

You should look better because I have.  You see here I like to keep a balance between attacking and defending so I don't end up "everyone ignores you Webadict" aggressive or "scummy" defensive or whatever.

Yeah, if it's not concrete proof then it must be from judging what others say, I don't see why you had to fix yourself with that, it makes no sense!  I support my accusations the best I can, but it's not concrete!  You don't seem to understand that and are confusing everyone.

You must be blind because I am attacking you right now.  Maybe you should spend more time actually playing mafia.

You haven't attacked a single person who did not attack you first.  Any time you haven't been under attack, you've been activelurking.

Stop making up crap and support yourself with evidence hypocrite.  I remember clearly attacking people first yesterday and today.  Your WOT or whatever on me is the opposite of what I see, you're interpreting wrong scum.

[Solifuge]

I don't see any active lurking from Lone Wolf... he's just been attacking you.  I don't see how going straight for one person and attacking them could possibly be seen as active lurking.  Tunneling, maybe... but you obviously can't make such an accusation.

(Toonyman,) your last post seems to flip the hell out over a small point.

I would have to second that, ToonyMan. You have flipped your proverbial shit, though the last post had a bit less fire and brimstone. Lone's got good, level-headed analysis, while you look like you're trying to prove how useful you are to everyone.

Also Org, you are REALLY obsessing over the Exterminator thing... into the realm of unhelpfulness. Remember that, for lynching, Scum are priority #1, and Exterminators priority #2. A 3rd-Party that is against both you and your enemy is still half an ally. We kill the Exterminator when their threat outweighs their usefulness... and more often they kill themselves on a War Veteran, Vengeful Guardian, or get Dopple-Snacked.

Moreover, y'all are trying to fit your observations into your preconcieved notions. That's bad science, doods. I'll be back to drop some friggin' nobel-prize-winning peer-reviewed Science on your collective arses this evening.

[ToonyMan]

...How is everybody seeing this?

O.o

...
Looks like I'm going into my point of no return, bah.  Sorry.  Cool headed Toon here and out.

[Lonewolf I]

Stop making up crap and support yourself with evidence hypocrite.  I remember clearly attacking people first yesterday and today.  Your WOT or whatever on me is the opposite of what I see, you're interpreting wrong scum.

Here's my evidence:

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#27, 35, 37, 42, 57, 85 - Effectively lack substance.
#144

Man, I missed out on Kamina quote night.
Just for everyone around here, NUKE is a very dangerous mafia player so just be all 'round aggressive to everyone or else you're going nowhere.


Webadict and Ottofar situation,
Winner is Webadict, you want to know why?  I'll tell you, Ottofar you fell for Webadict's trap he does every game.  When Webadict does a vote in RVS he likes to use fallacious or something you don't want to do later on in the game, in this case he did something or another I don't remember what and you bit the trap.  You became highly defensive and after finding out your mistake tried too hard to cover up.

Jim Groovy,
From another game I can tell Jim is not likely scum because of his hammy scum hunting behavior, which isn't a bad thing.

Ethereal.Frog,
Ugh, this is one of the worst situations in mafia.  Think of it like Org, but a new player that doesn't keep sucking.  Frog, this is for you buddy, map yourself a new town game right now.  This reminds me of Diakron in a way and I always fell for it, lynching town constantly.  Clean up or you will be lynched.

Toaster,
Don't say something you did was a joke, that doesn't work.

Pandarsenic,
Unvote, I'm done RVing now.


Ottofar, your reaction unnerves me to no end.

Finally! Wait, no. Just some summaries of ongoing conflicts and you hopped onto Ottofar, a safe vote considering Solifuge's position at the time.
#174 - Called Webadict into question.
#177, 181 - No substance. Again. Looks like activelurking.
#263 - Another false alarm.  Posted to say you're keeping your vote on Ottofar.  No accusations.  No questioning.  Just jokes and advice.
#285 - You finally jump on the Forsaken wagon.  Props to you, scum.  Trying to look like you're reluctant to take the easy lynch.
#295 - Pithy comment on the events of night one.
#301

Leafsnail, who do you think is scum?

Your first genuine effort at scumhunting, if I were to assume you're town.
#307 - Reiterating your reason for voting Forsaken.
#331, 335

I voted Leafsnail for a list of suspicions, I am not being passive.

I'm trying to piece together what happened last night.

Man, can noone else see the scumminess?  ARGH

TOONYMAN IS SCUM

Criptfeind and NUKE killed each other.
Jim was killed by a vig.
Mr.Person was killed by something, it just says he disappeared.

Now Leafsnail, can you give a better explanation than a "look it up yourself haha"?

And Jokerman, you're being my #2 scum right now.

One of your teammates killed Mr.Person.

Let's see your list.  Oh, right. You don't have one. Scum.
#349 - Defending yourself with sarcasm and metaphor, rather than attacking Leaf and/or Toaster.  Presumably because you have nothing on them, being scum.
#352, 355 - We're back to lacking substance.
#357 - A halfway reasonable attempt to attack Leaf back, but not nearly enough to clear yourself.
#359 - Intuition is practically all this game runs on the first day or three.  Buddying Org, though.  I'll have to look into that.  You could be accusing your scumbuddies to clear yourself.
#361 - Defining intuition. No substance.
#363 - Defending yourself from Jokerman. No scumhunting.
#365 - Repeating yourself.
#367 - You finally get into gear and attack leafsnail back.
#370 - Nothing.
#381 - Defending your scumbuddy, Org.
#387 - Extend.
#404 - Defending yourself from me.

Where's yours?