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Author Topic: Paranormal Mafa - Round 16 - Game Over!  (Read 58919 times)

Pandarsenic

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Re: Paranormal Mafa - Round 16 - Day 1 - *Replacement found*
« Reply #225 on: May 21, 2010, 01:22:58 am »

Orrrrrr we can play the game we signed up for?
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« Reply #226 on: May 21, 2010, 01:24:01 am »

I am playing the game...
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« Reply #227 on: May 21, 2010, 06:06:59 am »

If forsaken1111 doesn't care about votes, I'll donate mine.

I'd just like to point out that Pand originally voted Forsaken because Forsaken wasn't responding to votes. And I'd also like to point out that not responding to getting voted is in no way a scum tell. Only afterwards did Pand say anything about Forsaken's lack of scumhunting. Pand, response?
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« Reply #228 on: May 21, 2010, 07:32:57 am »

Ugh... lots to catch up on.  I'll post something proper later today when I come home.

For now though, I'd just like to say that forsaken looks town and webadict is an idiot.
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« Reply #229 on: May 21, 2010, 08:05:34 am »

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Most people would consider "not playing" a fairly bad playstyle. You continue to impress me with how little you know of the game and mafia in general due to your lack of knowledge or playing. You not only refuse to play, but also detract negatively from all the conversation by forcing players to tell you to play or die, and even going as far as to say that you won't do anything about anything.

What does that mean to the rest of us? Well, if you're scum, you've negatively impacted your team by losing a member on the first lynch. If you're town, you've screwed the town over by making us lynch you, losing a valuable lynch that could've lynched scum. You've also effectively destroyed Day 1 and any progress it may have made.

That's why you care. You're trying to lynch your other team. Not caring screws your team over, which means you're not playing to win. You're not even playing, period.

Hence, why I think you should copy and paste your role PM here. Everyone benefits from that, since you weren't really playing anyhow.
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« Reply #230 on: May 21, 2010, 08:11:57 am »

Forsaken: What the hell, mate? Its been said; you can't ignore people voting for you. Its an unwritten rule of Mafia: Play to win. Seeing as para has no jokers, that means you never* want to die. So start defending yourself; if you don't, you are ruining the game for the rest of us.

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I can't really see the big deal here, Mr.Person. You don't like his strategy? May I point out that in the RVS, all rules are off; any strategy is valid, anything to get someone to say something that can be discussed, leading to 'real' discussion.

Criptfiend, Webadict: You never played with web before, criptfiend? Its the way he does stuff. It is the same whether he is town or scum; the difference comes later, when he stops prodding people for reactions and starts handing out bricks of solid logic like they were candy. At that point, scum webadict's arguments are slightly more convulted than town webadict's. But trying to get web lynched for his infuriating prodding itself is not valid; it is, infact, an easy way to knock off webadict when you are yourself scum.

I want to see forsaken get up and actually play the game; if he does, my vote remains on ethereal.frog. If he refuses, my vote will be switched to him.
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« Reply #231 on: May 21, 2010, 09:09:55 am »

I don't approve of the personal attacks, death threats, and so on, whether or not they're done in hyperbole for effect. It's a line that I don't approve of folks crossing, and one of the things I won't hesitate to report on if it continues.

Lets keep it civil and sane, as I'd rather not interrupt the game with a moderator intervention, and moreover would like us to be able to continue having mafia games on the forum.
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« Reply #232 on: May 21, 2010, 09:20:03 am »

I don't approve of the personal attacks, death threats, and so on, whether or not they're done in hyperbole for effect. It's a line that I don't approve of folks crossing, and one of the things I won't hesitate to report on if it continues.

Lets keep it civil and sane, as I'd rather not interrupt the game with a moderator intervention, and moreover would like us to be able to continue having mafia games on the forum.
The irony of the game being about killing people and then accusing other people of being scum is clearly lost on you.

That and you've in no way solved nor attempted to solve the initial problem: That being forsaken isn't playing.

So... this post is useless, yes?
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« Reply #233 on: May 21, 2010, 10:08:36 am »

You cannot see it, sir, but I am rolling me eyes.

I understand what you're trying to do by it, but you can go too far, which is happening here. Whether or not you see it as I do, I'm going to be a stick in the mud; that sort of crap touches a nerve for me, on a personal level, which I'll not get into here.

Competition is fine. Frustration is fine. Just reign in threats and personal attacks, since it's not even remotely good sportsmanship.


Back to trying to lynch people. Unvote. I will make my final assessment of the day, and return once I have.
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« Reply #234 on: May 21, 2010, 10:25:23 am »

You cannot see it, sir, but I am rolling me eyes.

I understand what you're trying to do by it, but you can go too far, which is happening here. Whether or not you see it as I do, I'm going to be a stick in the mud; that sort of crap touches a nerve for me, on a personal level, which I'll not get into here.

Competition is fine. Frustration is fine. Just reign in threats and personal attacks, since it's not even remotely good sportsmanship.


Back to trying to lynch people. Unvote. I will make my final assessment of the day, and return once I have.
Fine. I shall refrain from such.

forsaken, play or get out of the game.
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« Reply #235 on: May 21, 2010, 10:50:57 am »

Not being serious means you're not trying. At all. But you can be passive aggressive against me as a minor OMGUS all you want, it's still not going to add anything to the conversation so far nor will it be used as a stepping stool for conversation. Anything else you'd like to make yourself look scummy with?

And webadict erects a barrier of mafia jargon to protect himself from mockery.

webadict, since you've displayed the maturity of a child with your death threats, I will now refer to you appropriately.

So listen here, kid. You seem to think that forsaken1111 should die because he didn't take your random vote seriously... but that's exactly the correct response, especially with random votes from you. To do otherwise would elicit accusations of being overly defensive about a random vote, and so on.

So, kid, why are you throwing such a temper tantrum about somebody who responded correctly to a random pressure vote? Either your ego is as fragile as it is large, or you're scum trying to make a big fuss over nothiing.

Which one will it be, kid? You have a large, fragile ego that can shatter from the merest suggestion that it's unearned, or that you are scum?

Additionally, I now suspect Jokerman-EXE and Pandarsenic for the same reasons, although they have the further black marks of bandwagoning.

Forsaken: What the hell, mate? Its been said; you can't ignore people voting for you. Its an unwritten rule of Mafia: Play to win. Seeing as para has no jokers, that means you never* want to die. So start defending yourself; if you don't, you are ruining the game for the rest of us.

No, you're wrong. I've been at the end of a webadict random vote before, and I had the misfortune of asking why he had randomvoted me. Not an unreasonable request, right? Cue a day long accusation of how defensive I was, along with at least one scum following his lead. No, forsaken1111 played this one correctly.
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« Reply #236 on: May 21, 2010, 11:03:40 am »

webadict, since you've displayed the maturity of a child with your death threats, I will now refer to you appropriately.

Jim, goading Webadict  isn't exactly a sign of maturity either. In fact, you've been pretty inflamatory and petty yourself.

Moreover, what's the goal in asking him loaded questions, where he can't answer without either insulting himself, or admiting to being scum? Do you hope to force him to ignore the question, and then use that against him?

And thus, the scumhunt charade goes.
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« Reply #237 on: May 21, 2010, 11:04:59 am »


Additionally, I now suspect Jokerman-EXE and Pandarsenic for the same reasons, although they have the further black marks of bandwagoning.


I voted forsaken with the purpose of asking him about his passivity and apparent lack of care at his own death. I've seen scum adopt the very same behavior before, so it made me uncomfortable. I also resolved to watch forsaken for further signs.

I'm not going to say that I agree with WUBA's methods of going about it, but I do agree that unless forsaken is going to really get into it, there's no point in his being here, and lynching him for information is better than nothing. Throughout this whole big argument, I still haven't seen much content from forsaken regarding scumhunting, and while WUBA has been getting more and more abrasive, he did have some points worth considering at the beginning of this fiasco.

My vote remains until I see some action out of forsaken.
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« Reply #238 on: May 21, 2010, 11:13:25 am »

If forsaken1111 doesn't care about votes, I'll donate mine.

I'd just like to point out that Pand originally voted Forsaken because Forsaken wasn't responding to votes. And I'd also like to point out that not responding to getting voted is in no way a scum tell. Only afterwards did Pand say anything about Forsaken's lack of scumhunting. Pand, response?

Well, it works sort of like this. Votes in the RVS are meaningless, so you respond and move on until someone catches your attention.

Only Forsaken1111 isn't reacting to anything, at all. So I decided, "Let's stick a second vote on him for no reason and see if anyone reacts to that, particularly him."

So I do that, and Forsaken1111 doesn't even acknowledge it's there. He's trying too hard to be nonchalant.

And now Mr.Person and Jim are the only ones who are observing that hey, voting for someone actually does and should have an effect. But they're missing the point.

Forsaken1111 gets however many votes and he just forces himself to go Keep acting like you don't care keep acting like you don't care.

He's now officially guilty of the Trying Too Hard Not To OMGUS Tell because he should have called me out for voting him.
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« Reply #239 on: May 21, 2010, 11:17:12 am »

Not being serious means you're not trying. At all. But you can be passive aggressive against me as a minor OMGUS all you want, it's still not going to add anything to the conversation so far nor will it be used as a stepping stool for conversation. Anything else you'd like to make yourself look scummy with?

And webadict erects a barrier of mafia jargon to protect himself from mockery.

webadict, since you've displayed the maturity of a child with your death threats, I will now refer to you appropriately.

So listen here, kid. You seem to think that forsaken1111 should die because he didn't take your random vote seriously... but that's exactly the correct response, especially with random votes from you. To do otherwise would elicit accusations of being overly defensive about a random vote, and so on.

So, kid, why are you throwing such a temper tantrum about somebody who responded correctly to a random pressure vote? Either your ego is as fragile as it is large, or you're scum trying to make a big fuss over nothiing.

Which one will it be, kid? You have a large, fragile ego that can shatter from the merest suggestion that it's unearned, or that you are scum?

Additionally, I now suspect Jokerman-EXE and Pandarsenic for the same reasons, although they have the further black marks of bandwagoning.

Forsaken: What the hell, mate? Its been said; you can't ignore people voting for you. Its an unwritten rule of Mafia: Play to win. Seeing as para has no jokers, that means you never* want to die. So start defending yourself; if you don't, you are ruining the game for the rest of us.

No, you're wrong. I've been at the end of a webadict random vote before, and I had the misfortune of asking why he had randomvoted me. Not an unreasonable request, right? Cue a day long accusation of how defensive I was, along with at least one scum following his lead. No, forsaken1111 played this one correctly.
Except it wasn't a random vote. I had exactly 1 random vote, placed onto Ottofar after I read a sentence of his, mostly in hopes that it would successfully end RVS. It did. I kept my vote where it was until I read forsaken1111. I voted him promptly, so that I may have my vote on him, and he would display more scumminess while I collected data thereon. He didn't respond at all to it.

No, wait, I mentioned that I was in the process of conversing about said vote, when he replied questioningly about that statement. He was thus wagoned upon and refused to not only defend himself, but also to attack or anything. He continued his passive resistance to the flow of the game and dammed the entire thread up.

You seem to think that I care whether he's concerned about my vote or not. I could care less. I planned on voting him for the rest of the Day once I voted him in the first place. His reaction is something that I'd want, yes, but I'd only use it to further my goal of lynching him.

Where, oh where, did you get the idea that I randomvote willy nilly? I ended the RVS a long time ago, and if you haven't found someone scummy yet, you're doing it wrong.

But, you're right, aren't you? We should merely act cool to being voted after random voting has stopped. Everyone should vote Jim Groovester, because it'll be random, and he'll be cool about it. Right? Isn't that right, Jimmy? *nudge nudge* Now dance, pretty boy.

webadict, since you've displayed the maturity of a child with your death threats, I will now refer to you appropriately.

Jim, goading Webadict  isn't exactly a sign of maturity either. In fact, you've been pretty inflamatory and petty yourself.

Moreover, what's the goal in asking him loaded questions, where he can't answer without either insulting himself, or admiting to being scum? Do you hope to force him to ignore the question, and then use that against him?

And thus, the scumhunt charade goes.
Ah, but there is a way, in that he thinks I merely random vote, and therefore the question itself is faulty.

If forsaken1111 doesn't care about votes, I'll donate mine.

I'd just like to point out that Pand originally voted Forsaken because Forsaken wasn't responding to votes. And I'd also like to point out that not responding to getting voted is in no way a scum tell. Only afterwards did Pand say anything about Forsaken's lack of scumhunting. Pand, response?

Well, it works sort of like this. Votes in the RVS are meaningless, so you respond and move on until someone catches your attention.

Only Forsaken1111 isn't reacting to anything, at all. So I decided, "Let's stick a second vote on him for no reason and see if anyone reacts to that, particularly him."

So I do that, and Forsaken1111 doesn't even acknowledge it's there. He's trying too hard to be nonchalant.

And now Mr.Person and Jim are the only ones who are observing that hey, voting for someone actually does and should have an effect. But they're missing the point.

Forsaken1111 gets however many votes and he just forces himself to go Keep acting like you don't care keep acting like you don't care.

He's now officially guilty of the Trying Too Hard Not To OMGUS Tell because he should have called me out for voting him.
I'd like to say Point goes to you, but not for the reason that you're thinking. It was actually a few lines up when you mentioned that voting does get a reaction because MR.PERSON AND JIM GROOVESTER ARE REACTING TO THE VOTE! While forsaken1111 is sitting down, Mr.Person and Jim Groovester have jumped to his aid, defending him while forsaken himself idles, which is the exact opposite point they themselves were trying to argue.
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