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[Grakelin]

Nobody wants to sign on a developer whose game bombed.

Wow, then you really shouldn't have backed up a company that was stressing the community at large.

Harsh but really. We could even speak about the many people who would lose their jobs if EA lost money.

In fact I bet some of those EA employees had a family to raise.

Honestly the Capitalist system written it clear: If you don't want something don't buy it.

The game itself may be good, but the programming is BAD! What could you do to fix that?

Are your games SOOO good that we WON'T want to boycott?

Hi!

Please respond to the point I am making about the game developers working hard and not deserving the collateral damage from a crusade against their publishing company instead of tossing out a confusing hodgepodge of anti-EA one liners. Also, I am not a game developer or publisher, so the pronouns 'you' and 'your' should only be used when you are directly referring to me. I have no personal stake in whether or not an EA franchise bombs because of boycotts (not that it would actually happen, anyways).

I guess at the very least they're a great scapegoat for cases like AC2, which is a game not affiliated with EA at any time but an entirely Ubisoft run venture, yet seems to draw a great deal of criticism towards EA. I'd rather have to pay for extra features than have to log onto the internet every time I play, myself, but if we want to boycott a company and, as you say, ruin the livelihoods of the programmers, I guess there's no better choice than the former.

Grakelin

[Sensei]

Well, no-one used that argument when Big Rigs: Over the Road came out...

[zchris13]

Don't complain that nobody will buy your stuff if you work for the devil.  (mild exaggeration)

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah, the thing is, you take your hits. You sign on with someone like EA, you let your greed get ahead of you like that, don't be surprised if people don't buy your game. Because, unfortunately, EA have pronounced pretty loudly that people not buying games they publish is the absolute only way they will listen.

On the other hands, listening just means they will blame it on piracy.

So that isn't even the point. What you have said, IS. Developers, good developers, sign on with EA because they think it is the best decision. If you are like me, and want EA to take a fall because of the damage they are doing, talking to EA isn't going to work. They'll ignore any and all messages sent their way. You need to send a message to those same developers, and that message is "Working with EA is bad business." because that is the only way THEY will listen.

Yes, people will get hurt. Some of those developers might die. But I don't give a damn about companies, because game companies, the good ones, come and go constantly anyways, but no matter why they fail the people who made them great go on to show up in those new good companies.

And if enough companies fail, they will start to realize that working with EA is bad, and the goal (less games with crappy EA stuff) will be achieved. See?

. No game, no matter how good, and no developer, no matter how good their games, has a right to success. Successfully boycotting EA (which isn't likely, regardless) just means that EA-linked developers have to deal with what turned out to be a bad decision - welcome to the business world.

[Capntastic]

Don't forget that the people that tend to prefer higher-risk, niche games tend to be the same folks that know how to pirate games in general.   Ain't no one who gets Sport Game 2010 gonna know what torrent is.

[zchris13]

Sport Game 2011, Capn.

[Capntastic]

This is about Used Games though.

[Soulwynd]

Please respond to the point I am making about the game developers working hard and not deserving the collateral damage

They do deserve the collateral damage and need to learn to sell off better. It's their responsibility to work for a decent publisher. In fact, what causes the market to be so fucked up is that developers are paid by publishers and not the other way around. Same goes to most entertainment and media based crap. If the dev took the larger cut, which doesn't happen, we'd have better games and less fuzz.

But instead, what we get are these huge publishers that buy games from several developers and try to milk the costumers for every drop of money they have. They don't give a shit about the games or the developers, they only care about profit.

[Capntastic]

In fact, what causes the market to be so fucked up is that developers are paid by publishers and not the other way around. Same goes to most entertainment and media based crap.

Are you seriously saying that vanity presses turn out quality products?

[Capntastic]

Hey developer, I'm an up and coming dev team, please take all of my money to publish our work, putting all of the risk on us while you take no risk and stand only to profit.   By the way, since you are in a position where you literally cannot lose money, accept the money of every single dev who asks you.   This will improve the overall quality of games and won't result in an onslaught of sub-shovelware.

[Sensei]

Not necessary capn...

[Grakelin]

You might as well try to say that Drums Along the Mohawk is a shitty book because it was published by the same publishing company that published Twilight.

[Micro102]

That depends, was the book bad because it was written poorly, or did the publishing company make the book out of cheap easily ripped paper with a cover made out of cardboard and decided to remove all words under the high school level?

[Capntastic]

Sorry but that has nothing to do with his supplied solution of "developers paying publishers", which is what I was addressing, and rightfully pointing out how much of a terrible idea it was.

[Grakelin]

Sorry but that has nothing to do with his supplied solution of "developers paying publishers", which is what I was addressing, and rightfully pointing out how much of a terrible idea it was.

Probably because nobody was responding to it.