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[Soulwynd]

Steam does a very important service to it's users. Once you own the game, it's your game forever.

Forever until you lose your account, get hacked, etc. Of course, that's similar to losing a game's DVD, except that with steam, you lose all the games bought with it... And if you got hacked, chances are your VAC status will be screwed up.

Also, most games don't remove their DRM for steam. Ass Creed 2 still has its drm even through steam. So even if you bought it on steam, you have to worry about that crap.

[Micro102]

Well in order to get hacked or lose your account you have to fall for fake scams after they tell you not to enter your password on any site other then steam. Or do something illegal.

[Soulwynd]

I don't know anything illegal you can do to get steam hacked.

You can also have keyloggers, trojans, etc.

Of course, I recommend you all set your email with steam, they cannot change your password without a code that is sent to your email when you try to change the password.

[SHAD0Wdump]

Of course, I recommend you all set your email with steam, they cannot change your password without a code that is sent to your email when you try to change the password.

New change?

[Micro102]

Freaking brilliant change.

And I meant you do illegal things to lose your account.

[Soulwynd]

Of course, I recommend you all set your email with steam, they cannot change your password without a code that is sent to your email when you try to change the password.

New change?

I think it happened earlier this year if I remember the news logs. If you try to change your password while your email is set as verified, it emails you a code you have to enter in to change your password. So yeah, people without access to your email cannot change it.

They can't detect that steam-warez games. Even if it's a bad crack, the best it does it tell you to buy the game and not let you run it. They don't take your account, as they want a customer, after all. What you can do to crap your account is use 3rd party programs to cheat in games and ruin your VAC status.. You don't lose your games, but you cannot join any vac protected server.

Also be careful with that, because if the hash doesn't match for certain files for online games, they might fuck your vac status. So, hdds and memories starting to going faulty might give you not only corruption trouble but vac trouble.

[HideousBeing]

I thought gamestop would be opposed to this since they make alot of their money from reselling games. What hellish deal went down to get their support? I know that most places make hilariously low profit margins from new games.

[nenjin]

Also be careful with that, because if the hash doesn't match for certain files for online games, they might fuck your vac status. So, hdds and memories starting to going faulty might give you not only corruption trouble but vac trouble.

You can also do this by adding pirated games to Steam. It doesn't always results in a VAC ban, but I've heard cases of Steam being pointed to accounts because they've added a hacked game, and they've eventually taken action.

[Soulwynd]

Also be careful with that, because if the hash doesn't match for certain files for online games, they might fuck your vac status. So, hdds and memories starting to going faulty might give you not only corruption trouble but vac trouble.

You can also do this by adding pirated games to Steam. It doesn't always results in a VAC ban, but I've heard cases of Steam being pointed to accounts because they've added a hacked game, and they've eventually taken action.

Nah, They can't check if a game is pirated or not. Unless they are nazi enough to keep a hash check for every crack there is for every game there is in order to compare and even if it's a crack, it doesn't guarantees the copy isn't legit. Can be someone who doesn't like DRM, like me. All my legit non-steam games are cracked.

So it sounds more like an urban internet legend to me.

If you add a hacked steam game to steam, then you might be on to something, but even in those cases, all you get is a message to buy the game. Because you -can- install games from people's steam backups in your steam even if you haven't bought it. Steam tells you to buy the game. If you buy the game, you don't have to install it again. But I think that even in that case, it's somewhat far off reality.

[Pathos]

I thought gamestop would be opposed to this since they make alot of their money from reselling games. What hellish deal went down to get their support? I know that most places make hilariously low profit margins from new games.

Probably "We'll give you lots of exclusive deals and allow you to have an even larger monopoly on the market" and they like "lol k".

[Saint]

Steam does a very important service to it's users. Once you own the game, it's your game forever.

Forever until you lose your account, get hacked, etc. Of course, that's similar to losing a game's DVD, except that with steam, you lose all the games bought with it... And if you got hacked, chances are your VAC status will be screwed up.

Also, most games don't remove their DRM for steam. Ass Creed 2 still has its drm even through steam. So even if you bought it on steam, you have to worry about that crap.

Too bad only idiots get hacked.
Being hacked requires either doing something retarded like falling for a scam or visiting bad sites like pirate sites, so either way the only ones screwed are idiots.

[buckets]

Steam does a very important service to it's users. Once you own the game, it's your game forever.

Forever until you lose your account, get hacked, etc. Of course, that's similar to losing a game's DVD, except that with steam, you lose all the games bought with it... And if you got hacked, chances are your VAC status will be screwed up.

Also, most games don't remove their DRM for steam. Ass Creed 2 still has its drm even through steam. So even if you bought it on steam, you have to worry about that crap.

Too bad only idiots get hacked.
Being hacked requires either doing something retarded like falling for a scam or visiting bad sites like pirate sites, so either way the only ones screwed are idiots.

I never understood cracking steam games, don't they work without the disk anyway?

[Grakelin]

Ya know, I'm less worried about this, then if it catches on in other areas.

Cars will now scan your license, and if its a different driver you'll have to purchase a $1000 extension from the manufacturer to activate it.

Houses will have fingerprint scanners, and if you try to buy a used house, you'll have to pay the architect 30 grand to reset the scanners.

Coffins will be locked with a special key, and if you want to get a used one you'll have to hire the coffinsmithy to come and unlock it.

Sounds like good business. *Vomits from overload of sarcasm.

It's not really the same thing. Better examples would be:

-Cars will now scan your licenses, and if it's not your car, you have to pay extra for the radio (which people do already)
-Houses will have fingerprint scanners, and if you buy a used house, you'll have to pay extra for air conditioning (which you do already)
-Coffins will be locked with a special key, and if you want to have velvet in your used coffin (what) you will have to pay extra (doesn't even make sense)
- Sounds like good business. *Vomits from truth*

Also be careful with that, because if the hash doesn't match for certain files for online games, they might fuck your vac status. So, hdds and memories starting to going faulty might give you not only corruption trouble but vac trouble.

You can also do this by adding pirated games to Steam. It doesn't always results in a VAC ban, but I've heard cases of Steam being pointed to accounts because they've added a hacked game, and they've eventually taken action.

Nah, They can't check if a game is pirated or not. Unless they are nazi enough to keep a hash check for every crack there is for every game there is in order to compare and even if it's a crack, it doesn't guarantees the copy isn't legit. Can be someone who doesn't like DRM, like me. All my legit non-steam games are cracked.

So it sounds more like an urban internet legend to me.

If you add a hacked steam game to steam, then you might be on to something, but even in those cases, all you get is a message to buy the game. Because you -can- install games from people's steam backups in your steam even if you haven't bought it. Steam tells you to buy the game. If you buy the game, you don't have to install it again. But I think that even in that case, it's somewhat far off reality.

Somebody on the forum, Itnetlolor, claims to have had his Steam account locked down and lost all his games this way, and he has been trying to get them to let him pay for his shit since then.

[Neonivek]

Yay! I bought a game! Now I have to buy it again to play it!

Well no, that's not really it.

The problem with JUST this is how games are advertised.

You BUY games. Yet they never tell you that you are just getting a license until the EULA that no one reads effectively making it a null contract. BEST of all, if you don't agree to the contract, well no refund for you even though TECHNICALLY you have no license. It isn't even Buyer beware it is like keeping someone's deposit because they have you didn't buy anything. It makes little sense to me legally.

Other programs I've seen have been a lot more honest and upfront about the fact that it is a license.

But in order to make more money game companies STILL pretend they are selling you games because they KNOW they would lose more money if they advertised their games as "Licenses". This has often given them legal problems in court when combined with the EULA, in fact, when analysed fully the whole thing is actually a legal blackhole that no one wants to resolve. Honestly READ your EULAs, their legal power is laughable and some give the company a LOT of power such as putting spyware on your computer (I believe NWN2 had that in the EULA)

[Micro102]

But noone is taking it as far as EA is...