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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2010, 07:33:50 pm »

Seeing these pageants never fails to disgust and amaze me in equal measure. Quite how or why this is deemed acceptable is beyond me. It amounts to nothing less than the sexualisation of children. Little miss sunshine captured the amazing levels of hypocrisy at work and the baffling ignorance of the parents and organisers perfectly.

I'm not sure what else to say; it is what it is. One of the many things I will never understand about american culture (albeit what I assume is a very small subsection). Suffice to say crap like that would never fly in the uk- or anywhere else as far as I know.
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« Reply #31 on: May 13, 2010, 08:12:13 pm »

Haha yeah it's best to have some crowbar action between that and American culture in general. We Americans are just as disgusted by this as you are. This is just one reason why I'd like to have a career where I can help make this waste dump of a planet a better place, instead of just absorbing more money out of it.
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« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2010, 08:14:44 pm »

Seeing these pageants never fails to disgust and amaze me in equal measure. Quite how or why this is deemed acceptable is beyond me. It amounts to nothing less than the sexualisation of children. Little miss sunshine captured the amazing levels of hypocrisy at work and the baffling ignorance of the parents and organisers perfectly.

I'm not sure what else to say; it is what it is. One of the many things I will never understand about american culture (albeit what I assume is a very small subsection). Suffice to say crap like that would never fly in the uk- or anywhere else as far as I know.

Because it's acceptable for American women to want to exploit their children's childhoods for as much as humanly possible because it is capitalism.
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« Reply #33 on: May 13, 2010, 08:18:18 pm »

And because mothers feel like their daughters ruined the good parts of their lives, so they live through them and push them too far.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #34 on: May 13, 2010, 08:20:26 pm »

On the upside; that is some seriously impressive dancing from 7 year olds.

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« Reply #35 on: May 13, 2010, 08:25:44 pm »

Wow, this video may have just ended the child porn industry forever.

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« Reply #36 on: May 13, 2010, 08:27:10 pm »

Wow, this video may have just ended the child porn industry forever.
Or provided a softcore alternate.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #37 on: May 13, 2010, 08:38:09 pm »

Yeah- this seems to be a big problem by American law and that of a lot of the similar western world. That problem is, they can and will outlaw something (child porn for example) but they cannot outlaw, suppress, or discourage effectively the ideas behind it (sexy children).
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #38 on: May 13, 2010, 09:41:35 pm »

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Okay, now that I am capable of rational thought and forming complete sentences, what the fuck was that?
I can't even think about it without Gah! Flashback *convulses on floor, foaming at the mouth*.
I caught about three seconds of that and felt like vomiting.
At the whole thing; song, costume, and general societal revelations.
It's things like this that remind me of why I'm such a cynical misanthrope.

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« Reply #39 on: May 13, 2010, 09:46:43 pm »

Let's all look on the bright side: encouraging ritualised sexuality in kids is probably still better than encouraging ritualised violence. At least they aren't going to directly abuse the children they'll inevitably have, after being pushed into wasting their lives and youths on the pageant track, never being given an educational background strong enough to become a professional anything-that-doesn't-involve-dancing-or-looking-pretty. Since they'll no longer look youthful or be able to keep fit enough to dance well by the time they hit 30-40-50, they'll then become housewives, raising kids.
Yessir, they'll indirectly abuse their children into running in dancing pageants all the time, who will be pushed into wasting their lives and youths on the pageant track, never being given an educational-...

Quite a few assumptions there, but I don't like the pageant culture that seems so popular over there in the magical states, so I'm just gonna say hurtful things :p

On the subject of the kids dancing provocatively in particular... eh, I'm divided. There are a fair few societally induced downsides (breaking these up a little into a couple of dot points because I'm overusing brackets here),

-The lowering age of sexualisation of kids tends to lead to lots of mistakes on their part (since sexual education kicks in only later, due to whiny parents who don't want their kids learning about the third most important human biological impulse and the core of continued human survival as a species before they've allready learned an extremely distorted  peers)

-labelling girls as whores before they're remotely old enough to cope with it (not that they can usually cope with that kind of branding in adolescent years either)

-apparently making them bait for pedophiles (pedophiles are sexually obsessed with children regardless of how they look or act.) There might be an argument for Child sex offenders, who don't have a clinically defined psychological condition :p. However this is... complex. I'll have to get back to this one later, my girlfreind's the expert on this.

-Kids really only imitate what they see, without really understanding it. Sortof connected to sexual education.

...and probably some others. I dunno, haven't eaten, have run out of steam for dotpoints pretty quickly.

Speaking from personal experience on the decreasing age of sexualisation of kids - In primary school we had a group of girls do a dance pretty similar to this in grade...6? So about age 11 or 12, I can't remember. Barely the first year of puberty for even the most developed girl in that group, anyway, it was the old days of the 1990s, so they were all late bloomers by current standards. Apparently. No-one made any fuss I was aware of. The boys who weren't into girls all that much didn't care and the boys who were... also didn't really care that much. The girls thought it was pretty sweet. The teachers were presumably just happy anyone was participating at all in class (as it was a low social economic area with lots of ratty kids). Most of the girls in that group turned out fine, one's attending uni and I think is aiming for a doctorate or some such. The rest attained the best most people in that school managed and have not yet died trying to break any world records for most cigarettes smoked at once or beating their children for the longest uninterrupted period of time. Hooray them and their continued survival of chronic unemployment and destitution.

Edit: Augh. Just realised I didn't think to include that they're doing it for non-sexual reasons. Duh. Sortof invalidates everything I've said up to this point. The kids are dancing that dance because they think it's cool, not to pick up (same goes for the example I gave directly above). If you just look at it how it is, they're just kids showing off their (admittedly, pretty damn well honed) dancing skills to get crowd approval. No sexual connotations save for the ones you're attaching to them.
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« Reply #40 on: May 13, 2010, 09:56:42 pm »

I reposted this on the Escapist, and there's actually a person there defending it. I just outright called him pro-paedophile.
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« Reply #41 on: May 13, 2010, 09:59:54 pm »

I reposted this on the Escapist, and there's actually a person there defending it. I just outright called him pro-paedophile.
Defending? How much?
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #42 on: May 13, 2010, 10:05:20 pm »

Speaking from personal experience on the decreasing age of sexualisation of kids - In primary school we had a group of girls do a dance pretty similar to this in grade...6? So about age 11 or 12, I can't remember. Barely the first year of puberty for even the most developed girl in that group, anyway, it was the old days of the 1990s, so they were all late bloomers by current standards. Apparently. No-one made any fuss I was aware of. The boys who weren't into girls all that much didn't care and the boys who were... also didn't really care that much. The girls thought it was pretty sweet...

Man, I don't know what was wrong with my elementary school then.  Around grade five, 1998ish I think, the entire student culture was overrun with rap and sex.  Boy's whose sacks hadn't dropped were ragging on about who they wanted to lay and so forth.  I'm not even fucking kidding.  And then once, during some variation of tag, I wound up touching a girl's chest, and shit fucking exploded for like two weeks.  Years later I found out she kinda liked me, but that's completely irrelevant.

I suppose I always had a slightly different attitude about that stuff when I was a kid, because when I was young, inter-family friendships saw me spend many an afternoon with different families of nothing but daughters.  As anyone who's been around a group of 3+ little sisters knows, they have some rather specious ideas of what clothing is for.
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« Reply #43 on: May 13, 2010, 10:08:30 pm »

Defending? How much?

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They look a bit older than that to be honest. Also, I guess I just feel that as long as you can legally go to the beach in it, it's OK.
There's a lot more on page 2&3, I just got the choicest bits.

Also, has anyone else noticed the fact they're wearing RED underwear? That's just fucking disgusting. Probably the worst part just because it's so subtle and a costume designer would've definitely noticed the connotations.

(To those that don't understand, red underwear is slutty underwear. It's sexy etc.)
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« Reply #44 on: May 13, 2010, 10:14:01 pm »

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