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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #150 on: May 14, 2010, 09:06:54 pm »

Should I be concerned about Neruz being banned?  I suppose.  I mean, I liked Neruz, because he was always pretty funny and interesting, but anytime the topic wasn't something everyone was already in agreement on, he turned his comedy into a weapon of hate.  So guess I'm kinda responsible for him finally pushing a step too far.  But oh well.

Back to the issue at hand.  I still can't figure out why the hand to go the extra mile on the "clothing".  A little less skin, maybe?  I want to know why their parents thought that was a good idea.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #151 on: May 14, 2010, 09:16:48 pm »

Neruz.  Banned.  Oh snap.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #152 on: May 14, 2010, 09:36:16 pm »

This has sort of been bothering me. Not because the idea is wrong, but because it sort of applies to the argument at hand. Do children understand what is going on, and the consequences of such?

This does not ABSOLUTELY pertain to the topic at hand,  but I'm really not sure ANYONE is capable of that.  Too much of our lives seems to be just below the acceptable level of awareness.  I'm really not sure humanity has achieved its own definition of sapience.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #153 on: May 14, 2010, 09:43:45 pm »

2. If you do not understand, you fail at not being a pedophile.

This is sort of like responding to a question with "If you don't know that, you fail at not being a Communist." Not only is it not really productive, it strongly implies that you yourself don't know the answer.

Back to the issue at hand.  I still can't figure out why the hand to go the extra mile on the "clothing".  A little less skin, maybe?  I want to know why their parents thought that was a good idea.

Video's down, so I can't comment directly, but I imagine at the time and place it seemed a natural outgrowth of everything else they were doing. If the dance doesn't seem odd, a dance-specific costume isn't going to seem odd either. If the dance does seem odd, the costume will seem odd as well.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #154 on: May 14, 2010, 09:54:57 pm »

Anyway, children act sexy-like, don't know they do, parents proud, pedos joyful, everyone else horrified. You don't have to discuss what constitutes a too revealing suit or a pole dance or what the fuck.

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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #155 on: May 14, 2010, 11:29:28 pm »

We should try and stay on topic, even in the light of the recent warnings/bannings.

I'm still interested in knowing why people feel:
  • we are sexualizing children by having them dance
  • sexualizing children is wrong
  • that a person who understand sex is a worse person than one who doesn't

I believe I have already covered 1 and 2, while 3 is moot to the discussion in this thread. No one has said that people who understand sex are "worse" but there is a time when you should understand it versus a time when you should not. If you don't have a television, you don't buy cable. If your sex drive isn't active yet, you don't have sex. You can know that cable requires television, but you don't know all its ins and outs until you have experienced it. It's the same basic concept.

Here's a short recap if you don't feel like reading the two lengthy posts I have made already:

1) We are not sexualizing children by having them dance. This is an oversimplification. The joining of the clothes, the specific dance moves, and the subject matter of the song is what makes it sexual. Children dancing is not inherently sexual, however. Just like being naked is not inherently sexual, but if you're posing in an alluring way it is. It's a similar idea. Dancing has been used not only for entertainment and cultural purposes, but also for sexual and erotic purposes. Denying that is just silly.

2) "Children should not be sexualized by people who are out of their age range", I suppose would be the safest, most scientific way to put this. To put it in an example, it is okay for a 10 year old to look at another 10 year old and say, "I'd like to kiss her!" while it is not okay for a 20 year old to look at a 10 year old and say, "I'd like to kiss her!" Children, by nature, are sexually undeveloped. It is not that we shouldn't teach them anatomy and why things are the way they are, it's more that they simply aren't there yet. When a boy (or girl, in my case) starts thinking how he (or she) likes breasts, that is the point where a child becomes a sexual being. These girls, presumably as they are seven, are just not there yet. The problem isn't, also, that children are being made sexual, it is that children are being presented in such a way that it is immensely easy to perceive them as sexual. This leads to social ramifications, like them being called whores. When people view them in a way that is different to they way they view themselves, they might then go, "Why is it like this? Maybe it's because I am." without realizing fully what that means.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #156 on: May 14, 2010, 11:31:16 pm »

I agree, we need to stay on topic.

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« Reply #157 on: May 14, 2010, 11:51:32 pm »

If understanding sex isn't wrong, though. Then why is children understanding sex (I'm still not convinced that dancing like that teaches them sex) is wrong
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« Reply #158 on: May 14, 2010, 11:54:41 pm »

It's like, there's this steel wall, right? And said wall is covered in saw blades. And now, two of your comrades have already run headlong into, one badly maimed and one killed, and then you guys take a moments pause, mourn your fallen comrades, then you get up again and keep walking towards it.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #159 on: May 14, 2010, 11:58:19 pm »

If I want people to stop posting in this thread, I'll lock myself thank you very much.  No, no new ground is covered in the last couple posts since you said "hey everybody, shut up, this thread is stupid".  I don't care about that.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #160 on: May 15, 2010, 12:11:36 am »

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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #161 on: May 15, 2010, 12:25:00 am »

If understanding sex isn't wrong, though. Then why is children understanding sex (I'm still not convinced that dancing like that teaches them sex) is wrong

Being exposed to sex may lead them to try out sex.
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« Reply #162 on: May 15, 2010, 12:31:43 am »

If understanding sex isn't wrong, though. Then why is children understanding sex (I'm still not convinced that dancing like that teaches them sex) is wrong

I have already explained why in two separate posts. I'm sorry, but I don't want to keep repeating the same thing over and over. Go and read them.
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Re: No joke, this is the worst thing I have ever seen.
« Reply #163 on: May 15, 2010, 01:32:07 am »

If understanding sex isn't wrong, though. Then why is children understanding sex (I'm still not convinced that dancing like that teaches them sex) is wrong

I have already explained why in two separate posts. I'm sorry, but I don't want to keep repeating the same thing over and over. Go and read them.

Well, reading your most recent one, I conceded on point 1, yes the dance is overtly sexual, although I'm not sure the girls are aware of that, but hey that's not the argument (yet). Point 2 just kinda said "children learn about sex and then they aren't ready for it". I guess I just don't understand what exactly consitutes being ready. I remember knowing what sex was in 4th grade, yet I and everyone else I talked to about it knew they weren't ready until high school (middle school for some). I don't think knowing leads to doing. And I don't think doing is a problem in general, just in specific cases. I also find paedophelia incredibly wrong and disgusting, just so my words aren't misinterpreted.
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« Reply #164 on: May 15, 2010, 01:49:56 am »

If understanding sex isn't wrong, though. Then why is children understanding sex (I'm still not convinced that dancing like that teaches them sex) is wrong

I have already explained why in two separate posts. I'm sorry, but I don't want to keep repeating the same thing over and over. Go and read them.

Well, reading your most recent one, I conceded on point 1, yes the dance is overtly sexual, although I'm not sure the girls are aware of that, but hey that's not the argument (yet). Point 2 just kinda said "children learn about sex and then they aren't ready for it". I guess I just don't understand what exactly consitutes being ready. I remember knowing what sex was in 4th grade, yet I and everyone else I talked to about it knew they weren't ready until high school (middle school for some). I don't think knowing leads to doing. And I don't think doing is a problem in general, just in specific cases. I also find paedophelia incredibly wrong and disgusting, just so my words aren't misinterpreted.

The idea here is that knowing does not necessarily equal understanding. You can know what something is does, but not understand why it does it. You know your remote changes the channel on your television. Do you understand that, however? This means you have a basic working knowledge of how things go instead of just a "Yeah, that's for this" kind of knowledge. I have no problem with anatomy classes being taught to kids as soon as they can name the major parts of their body. I think we can battle paedophilia and other weirdness with simple teaching what things are for and why it might be bad that Mister Candyman wants to touch your ding-dong. My problem is that children having an "understanding" of sex means that they have something more than a cursory knowledge of "penis + vagina = sperm in uterus = possible baby". It seems to me that it implies that they have had some experience with sex to understand what it's about. This is just me, however, disputing semantics.
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