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[Hyndis]

With the new materials system you can make a creature out of anything you want. It doesn't have to be bronze, or adamantine, or even slade. You could make a colossus out of fat if you want. Or bone. Giant bone constructs roaming the lands?

PLUMP HELMET COLOSSUS!   

Yes, you can do that.

Delicious colossus coming to extract revenge on your dwarves.

[Tyrius]

You could make a colossus out of fat if you want.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Adipose.jpg

Well that's a worrying thought... what would happen if you poured magma on it? would it melt?

[Schilcote]

Booze colossus? Would it drop *booze* when it died?

[Beeskee]

Bronze colossus tentacle demon.

You need 5, very specific, fetishes just to make it bearable. 10 if you're shooting for pleasurable.

Beeskee cancels read thread, stabbing self in the brain.

[LegoLord]

Also, I hope people don't have the idea that warhammers are supposed to be heavy IRL.  They were made out of iron, copper, bronze, etc. and weighed, in general for single handed ones, no more than 5 pounds.  Lead and platinum would be crummy as they would a.) deform readily, making the weapon useless after striking (I know durability isn't in the game...), and b.) if made identical in design to IRL ones would be too heavy to be wieldly.  I mean, density is an important factor up to a point (i.e. styrofoam is not a good material for hammers, nor would adamantine for that matter), but a hammer should not weigh more than about five pounds, regardless of material, otherwise it would be too slow of a weapon and thus easily countered.  There is absolutely no advantage to using lead or platinum or anything more dense than iron as a material for a warhammer unless said materials are more economical and/or have a structural advantage.  This most certainly should be reflected in this game.

Indeed.  I myself have suggested being able to use lead as the core of a hammer, for the sole purpose of making adamantine hammers usable.  But I don't know where the idea that a solid lead hammer would work came from.

[SirHoneyBadger]

Well, keep in mind that the various comments on making a lead/platinum hammer referred to in-game use, only.

Apparently, the density of a particular material increases it's damage output, mechanically. This will likely change in the future (but who knows when that update will come about?) as weaponry/materials/crafting become more complex and deep. 

[Andeerz]

Oh.  :3  I'm silly.

[Neonivek]

Well given we are working with individuals who can become even stronger then individuals in real life. Having weapons that would normally be rediculous in real life because of the weight (Lead hammers, Giant Swords, and such) makes sense.

[SirHoneyBadger]

Oh.  :3  I'm silly.

No, coring is a good idea, and a popular one, that I hope we'll get.

It seems fairly simple and reasonable to atleast be able to dip objects in molten bronze, etc.

Electroplating is another option, although a controversial one.

It's unknown whether or not making an HFS "frame" that could be filled with a molten metal would be possible or reasonable, since we can only speculate on the difficulties of working with such a substance (I for one stand by my supposition that HFS-"metal" is akin to carbon nanotubes, but that's just an educated guess, based on the bits of information we've been given.).

[Neonivek]

Even if it was lets say a Mesh, you could just coat that mesh with another substance and then fill it with lead.

They actually do something like this with other things too but the examples escape me.

[Andeerz]

Ok, I know, off topic:

Well given we are working with individuals who can become even stronger then individuals in real life. Having weapons that would normally be rediculous in real life because of the weight (Lead hammers, Giant Swords, and such) makes sense.

I see what ya mean.  It makes sense in some cases, especially if durability is ignored.  But in combat it is important for a weapon to be speedy.  Lets assume for the heck of it that a dorf would be strong enough to move a lead weapon as fast as a normal human could an iron weapon of the same spatial dimensions.  Let's also assume that the weapons are equally durable, unable to deform, have the same balance, and the same ability to transfer force.  I think the dwarf would still be better off with the iron weapon in most combat circumstances because s/he could move the iron weapon all the faster, making it much harder to avoid, while still being able to impart the same force.  I understand it's more complicated than this with the mechanics of bodily proportions and the like among other things, and there are instances where my example would not hold true... but this is just food for thought.

And, also, if durability and better modeling of physical characteristics of metals happen, then lead, platinum, and other dense metals. would probably never be useful for melee weapons or many other tools due to their softness.  Regardless of strength and size, I think bronze, steel, and alloys with similar characteristics would be the best materials to make weapons and tools out of.


More on topic:

Fat colossus?  I wonder if that could turn into a miasma colossus if it started to rot.

[Farmerbob]

  The thing is that the effectiveness of a weapon is partly based on size, and partly based on mass.

  Lets take the simple example of a baseball bat.  Hitting a 100 mph fastball with a bat, and getting a powerful hit with it are dependent on two things.  Can you make contact, and if you can make contact, now much momentum will be transferred to the ball?

  The baseball bats that players use have a regulated range of lengths and weights, amongst other regulations.  Players choose the length and weight of their bats based on what suits them for their body size, strength, and hitting style.  Professional fighters do the same things with their weapons.  If you consider the same weapon types, shorter people tend to use shorter weapons.  Stronger people tend to use heavier ones.  Mix very short and very powerful physiques, and you end up with someone who can effectively use a very short, extremely heavy version of a human weapon.

  I could very easily see dwarves making thick steel shells for maces, and melting lead into the form.  If you haven't read them, I strongly suggest Gotrok & Felix warhammer based books.  Darn good thinking materials when consisering what an extremely short, heavily muscled race would be able to do in melee combat.  Just consider Gotrok an axelord.

[Rowanas]

Also, you ignore the fact that a great deal of ancient weapons weren't designed to be lightning fast, but rather, unblockable. The Dane Axe, for example. One of the most feared weapons on a battlefield, but not fast in the slightest. It was just supposed to hack you in two, shield or no.

[Neonivek]

Also, you ignore the fact that a great deal of ancient weapons weren't designed to be lightning fast, but rather, unblockable. The Dane Axe, for example. One of the most feared weapons on a battlefield, but not fast in the slightest. It was just supposed to hack you in two, shield or no.

It was the one reason why a person once won a fighting competition with an Oar.

Not much you can do when a huge person swings a large oar at you. Sword or not.

[Labhras]

You could throw carp at him. Or a fluffy wambler, both are deadly.