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Author Topic: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?  (Read 7633 times)

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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2010, 03:35:48 pm »

Dwarf Fortress is like Dungeon Keeper, Evil Genius, Startopia, and the first or second Settlers.

  • Dungeon Keeper: Designing your dungeon/fortress, looking after your individual members needs, training up your fighters.
  • Evil Genius: DK with Traps, traps, and more traps. However clever you could be in setting up your base and trapping it, it allowed.
  • Startopia: Advanced DK with trading and planting/farming/harvesting and processing that into useful products
  • earliest Settlers: fantasy base builder with industry cycles (forestry plants tree, lumberjack chops down tree, haulers take log to sawmill, sawmill cuts log into lumber, lumber goes to storage until needed for construction or other industry inputs)

Evil Genius allowed some hilarious traps to be made. Best part of the game. EG's traps were on par with DF's in terms of complexity and originality. Lethal traps were no fun because they were so simple. The non-lethal traps were great fun. Like my round windtunnel, kept intruders flying around in circles until the end of time. Or the sleeping gas maze. A huge number of doors that lead nowhere, with gas traps in each tiny room spewing gas to knock them out, so they just sleep away, forever.

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And don't forget the similar treatment of your workers and dwarves.  I believe the applicable phrase is "acceptable losses".
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2010, 04:19:03 pm »

Gameplay wise... abit of Dungeon Keeper, Settlers, Evil Genius and all that.

It feels like the dwarves of Arcanum: Of Steamworks & Magick Obscura and Dwarf Fortress are similar to eachother.
They are similar in the following ways:
-Every single dwarf has a beard, and in Arcanum a dwarf would sooner kill himself than remove his beard.
-Hate Elves, because where Elves in Arcanum are innately magical, all dwarves dislike magic (Every single spell costs twice as much fatigue to cast for a dwarf.), they don't exactly kill eachother... but they just simply dislike each other (Which causes fun dialogue to happen when you enter the Wheel Clan as an Elf and they act as if they would sooner kill you than let you roam about there, and when asking about the dwarven philosophy of the Stone and the Shape their current King severely doubts your ability to understand it because you're an Elf, >:(, also, their former King apparently had an axe that did +Damage towards Elves)
-Living in fortresses built into the mountain, and what the shit the home of the Wheel Clan is confusing due to its large size.
-Dangerous mines, the Wheel Clan has cordoned off an entire mining area it used to have due to golems, golems, golems and granite rats, going down there equals death in most cases.
-All dwarves enjoy feats of engineering and building technological things.
-They also enjoy alcohol, plenty of it.
Also, the dwarven god in Arcanum can bestow a blessing of strength upon you if you sacrifice some lava rock to him.

Note that you can be a Dwarf in it as well, I just haven't tried it (Too busy being a pesky human with some fancy Electro-Platemail, a Chapeau Of Magnetic Inversion, Hand Cannon and sometimes Bronwyck's Gun)

You mean like 95% of all dwarves in any work of post-Tolkien fiction? Other than places like The Elder scrolls (where dwarves are an extinct and were a normal height, Sumerian themed elf-offshoot ( :o), they're pretty much all like that. The most major areas of difference in different interpretations of a dwarf are weather or not they're steampunk, and weather or not women have beards.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2010, 04:44:08 pm »


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You mean like 95% of all dwarves in any work of post-Tolkien fiction? Other than places like The Elder scrolls (where dwarves are an extinct and were a normal height, Sumerian themed elf-offshoot ( :o), they're pretty much all like that. The most major areas of difference in different interpretations of a dwarf are weather or not they're steampunk, and weather or not women have beards.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurDwarvesAreAllTheSame

For the steampunk influence, you need to look at Warhammer and Warcraft... Ditto the dwarven drinking habits (Tolkien's dwarves demand tea from Bilbo at the start of The Hobbit!)

But the proud, wealth-obsessed, stubborn and resilient dwarf is very much drawn from Tolkien, as is the hostility between Elves and Dwarves, although Tolkien himself was influenced by Norse mythology for a lot of his ideas.

I think the Elder Scrolls dwarves were still shorter than normal elves, otherwise why would they be 'dwarves'? Even they are a bit steampunk-y, with their mechanical towers and constructs, but their extinction/disappearance is a nice twist on the fantasy standard - one of my favourite parts of Elder Scrolls lore.
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #18 on: May 11, 2010, 05:06:32 pm »

Masters of Orion III

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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2010, 06:02:59 pm »

Sim City with digging instead of building, with added dwarfs and magma, also death and science.
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #20 on: May 11, 2010, 06:27:24 pm »

Shortest, most elitist answer: there aren't any. The style of play we have vaguely seen before (cough, Sims, cough), but the depth (and other features such as being able to shape the terrain completely to your liking, something I have not seen since the early X-Com games) seems unparalleled, not to mention how well it lends itself to story-telling and, most of all, humour.

I use to refer to it as The Sims on acid :P.

In The Sims, you buy a new TV. One of the Sims is happy to have it, and then goes off to the swimming pool. Meanwhile a thief comes in and steals the TV. The idiots who live in the house never notice. In Dwarf Fortress, you end up with a statue of eels (which menaces with spikes of steel) because some random dwarf got possessed by unknown forces to run some poor mason out of his workplace so he could build one, then the guy who is responsible for placing it can't do so because he's fighting carp in the river, then goblin thieves waltz in and steal the statue, and the guy who made it gets so mad he has to be restrained by the sheriff and his battle axe and put on a leash in the basement while the resident artist engraves pictures of his tantrum in the royal dining hall, where the dwarves try to eat while the pets and livestock hold court on the tables. It's like being used to classical music concerts for then to go watch a black metal band.

On a more serious note, though, it has elements from both Sim City, The Sims, and RTS games such as Age of Empires II. I never played Dungeon Keeper, so can't comment on that. The fact that it actually generates a world realistically (complete with erosion, AI civs and individuals, etc.) and runs it as you play, letting you go back to your fortress with an army after it's fallen and whatnot, is pretty awesome, too.
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #21 on: May 11, 2010, 07:02:48 pm »


The Wheel of Time had a multiplayer game mode that was quite similar - like capture the flag except you laid out traps and guards to defend your base.

Holy crap its a video game!?! Why was I not informed!

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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #22 on: May 11, 2010, 07:59:14 pm »

Alpha Centauri.

Because Mind Worms.

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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #23 on: May 11, 2010, 08:08:28 pm »

Dungeon Keeper and Evil Genius.


Dungeon Keeper, Evil Genius, and Dwarf Fortress really are the only 3 games in this entire genre.

Exactly what I think. In fact, if I hadn't seen this post, I might have posted the EXACT SAME THING.
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #24 on: May 11, 2010, 10:02:48 pm »

The only way I could describe it in terms of games I'm familiar with is that it's a cross between Sim City, Nethack, and Grand Theft Auto.
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #25 on: May 11, 2010, 10:19:21 pm »

The only way I could describe it in terms of games I'm familiar with is that it's a cross between Sim City, Nethack, and Grand Theft Auto.

 ??? uh..  ??? say what?
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #26 on: May 11, 2010, 10:58:01 pm »

It really depends on play style.  If you love making complex traps, it's more like Dungeon keeper.  To me, it always seemed like a cross between Nethack (or other roguelikes) and Tropico (immigrants, trade, etc.).
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #27 on: May 11, 2010, 11:00:45 pm »

The only way I could describe it in terms of games I'm familiar with is that it's a cross between Sim City, Nethack, and Grand Theft Auto.

 ??? uh..  ??? say what?

I think he is referring to the top down view and over the top comical violence of the first 2 GTA games.
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #28 on: May 12, 2010, 12:12:56 am »

Alpha Centauri.

Because Mind Worms.

My god.
I wish we could have a MOD for this. Mind Worms, aggressive vegetation and all that.
Hmmmm....
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Re: What mainstream game is Dwarf Fortress like?
« Reply #29 on: May 12, 2010, 01:04:39 am »

I'd have to say it's closest relative would be Majesty: The Fantasy Kingdom Sim. For those who don't know, it's an RTS but you have absoultely no direct control on any of your minions. You want a blackshop built there? you pay the gold, place it, and wait for a worker to come get it. You want that dragon killed, wait for a hero or two to find it and decide to fight it (or run away in terror) or stick a bounty on it and raise it enough so that eventually it'll be target by enough of your heroes that it'll be killed.

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