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[Greep]

Eh? Strangely enough I have several other dwarven seeds available to me like rock nuts.  A neighboring fort which I abandoned right next to me didn't have this problem.  I've had something similar happen in other maps, such as all seeds being unavailable despite there being many dwraven civilizations on the map.  What causes this?  Just luck or a bug?

[Matuin]

Try emarking as a different civ (the nearby fort may have been a different dwarf civilization)

It's very rare, but your parent civ may not have helmets.

[ungulateman]

You may already have them in your list. They won't appear in the [n]ew item menu if you have them on your list.

[Kipi]

I have noticed it too that at very rare occasions the certain dwarven civilization does not have plump helmets (nor the spawns). It happened only twice, but when I tried to embark with one of my premade embark profiles I get warning of no plump helmets & spawns. Checking the "N"ew list also shows that the civilization does not have any.

Rare, but still happens.

[CognitiveDissonance]

If you want raw-edible food, stick to aboveground farming. You can always create a "greenhouse" by walling and roofing an outdoor area (use glass for flavour) to protect it, and keep it farmable.

Prickle Berries are your answer.

Otherwise, bring some Sweet Pods and Cave Wheat. Learn to love the Quern/millstone and Kitchen. Remember to be able to make bags.

You'll have higher quality food, and happier dwarves all round, for just two-and-a-half extra workshops. (given that you may have a leatherworker producing bags, which are useful anyways)

[Lord Darkstar]

Prickle Berries are your answer.

STRAWBERRIES!

Also, that is a lot of work for 7 dwarves... converting Sweet Pods and Cave Wheat. And you'll need bags, and leatherworking isn't going to be viable to start with, as you won't have a steady supply of livestock/cats to slaughter in the beginning. Beginning wise, I'd personally scramble for above ground edible crops, and live with that until the fort grows enough to support milling and bag making.

[Greep]

eh, well I know the advantages of using a quern, I just hate having to make weird hybrids at embark, like a grower/brewer/cook/miller/whatever , I just want a grower brewer to use helmets and wait for migrants.

But yeah, the reason I mentioned it is...I  only have the seeds problem with .31.  This >>>never<<< happened in 40d.  with 40d it was only stone access missing.  I think it has something to do with caverns, as I turned caverns off and lost every single seed on one embark.  Maybe it's just coincidence, but perhaps seed access is somehow based on caverns now?

[UnkemptArmada]

I've been messing araound with a no-cavern worldgen, and so far every time I've been completely bereft of all cavern-based materials. In addition to none of the underground plants or seeds, I'm also completely missing access to silk and pigtail thread, cloth, and everything that comes from them.

It was a lot of fun! I got to experimenting with collapsing a large section of the surface, then roofing it over for indoors, aboveground farming

[Ilmoran]

Yeah, removing all caverns seems to remove all underground plants (there's no underground, so the plants don't grow.  Since they don't grow, the civ doesn't have access to them.  I think I've heard of this also happening if you set caverns to have no water, ever).

Enjoy your sunberries!

(Also, I imagine tower-caps and fungiwood are missing too).

[Corona688]

Also, that is a lot of work for 7 dwarves... converting Sweet Pods and Cave Wheat.

Sweet pods can be brewed directly, no more work than plump helmets.  It's a chore to prevent it all being ground into sugar when you're also milling wheat though.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Prickle Berries are your answer.

STRAWBERRIES!

Also, that is a lot of work for 7 dwarves... converting Sweet Pods and Cave Wheat. And you'll need bags, and leatherworking isn't going to be viable to start with, as you won't have a steady supply of livestock/cats to slaughter in the beginning. Beginning wise, I'd personally scramble for above ground edible crops, and live with that until the fort grows enough to support milling and bag making.

a. using dwarven syrup instead of dwarven sugar will help cut down on bag use.
b. leather is cheap on embark.

[Glory of Arioch]

a. using dwarven syrup instead of dwarven sugar will help cut down on bag use.
b. leather is cheap on embark.

Only problem is that in the new version, you can't cook dwarven syrup. The chefdwarf opens the barrel to use the syrup and the syrup spills all over the floor of the kitchen and clutters the workshop (and can't be reclaimed except by deconstructing the kitchen.)

In a related note, however, I'm happy to see the dwarven sugar creation process moved from the Farmer's Workshop to the Quern/Millstone.

[Ilmoran]

a. using dwarven syrup instead of dwarven sugar will help cut down on bag use.
b. leather is cheap on embark.

Only problem is that in the new version, you can't cook dwarven syrup. The chefdwarf opens the barrel to use the syrup and the syrup spills all over the floor of the kitchen and clutters the workshop (and can't be reclaimed except by deconstructing the kitchen.)

In a related note, however, I'm happy to see the dwarven sugar creation process moved from the Farmer's Workshop to the Quern/Millstone.

You can use dwarven syrup for cooking, just not for the base (first) ingredient.

[gtmattz]

In a related note, however, I'm happy to see the dwarven sugar creation process moved from the Farmer's Workshop to the Quern/Millstone.

It was this way in 40d as well, what version had sugar production at the farmers workshop?

[Nonsapient]

I've been messing araound with a no-cavern worldgen, and so far every time I've been completely bereft of all cavern-based materials. In addition to none of the underground plants or seeds, I'm also completely missing access to silk and pigtail thread, cloth, and everything that comes from them.

It was a lot of fun! I got to experimenting with collapsing a large section of the surface, then roofing it over for indoors, aboveground farming

You know you can just channel from the surface and it has the same effect right?  Minus the collapse?