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[EddyP]

I know about caverns, of course, but for me they're too far down to be of any use - the same goes for the magma sea. Do underground rivers, lakes and magma pipes still exist near the surface?

[CrossBolt]

Yes, I think they just occur less in 2010

[Sphalerite]

You sometimes find magma pipes that reach to the surface.  I would disagree that the caverns are too far down to be of any use, however, unless you're making a surface pipe.  I'm having a hard time digging out an interesting underground fortress without hitting the top layer of the caverns.

[Morberis]

You sometimes find magma pipes that reach to the surface.  I would disagree that the caverns are too far down to be of any use, however, unless you're making a surface pipe.  I'm having a hard time digging out an interesting underground fortress without hitting the top layer of the caverns.

You just need to make the area between the first caverns and the surface larger when you gen worlds then.

[Dave Mongoose]

Yea, the default value for the depth of the first cavern layer is also the minimum: It would be nice if you could lower it so the caverns were closer. My forts are usually laid out on only one or two levels, so getting to the caverns means spreading out more than I normally do or having a long staircase...

Magma pipes are still in the game (although there doesn't seem to be a way to make them visible on the embark screen), but underground rivers have been replaced by water in the caverns, and chasms are gone completely.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Yea, the default value for the depth of the first cavern layer is also the minimum: It would be nice if you could lower it so the caverns were closer. My forts are usually laid out on only one or two levels, so getting to the caverns means spreading out more than I normally do or having a long staircase...

Magma pipes are still in the game (although there doesn't seem to be a way to make them visible on the embark screen), but underground rivers have been replaced by water in the caverns, and chasms are gone completely.

There are however "deep pits" which are basically holes in the floor of a cavern layer that extend into the next layer. They are not muddied, and the size and shape of the pit, like those of the magma pipe, is constant across z-levels.

[Greep]

Caverns really aren't that far down though, the wiki says the average is like level 10 right? So just go down a dozen and explore.
  I'm pretty sure I found one go up to level 6 even O.O

[Rotten]

Default is around 15-20, I think. I always hit them when digging my bedrooms, it gets annoying. I usually don't do much with them, to many unkillable spoilery stuff. I had three beasts in a cavern once, 2 of which were unkillable, and due to the military bug, 3 talented axedwarves. Luckily I had walled it off.

Top z-levels have most of the easy to get ore, which is nice. With a bit of mining, 5 or 6 iron veins before you hit the caves isn't that rare. The 40d feature besides the magma pipes and pools are gone, however. Underground rivers are now underground lakes/oceans, and chasms are deep pits that give adventurers easy (though painful) access to the next level. Useless in fort mode though, with picks and all.

[G-Flex]

Yes, I think they just occur less in 2010

Why do people keep saying stuff like this?

The old special features do not exist anymore. None of them do in the previous form. Magma pipes still exist in volcanoes, and go all the way down to the magma sea, as do magma pools, which still sometimes occur (although I haven't yet seen one). Underground rivers, pits, and chasms no longer exist at all, and underground pools sort of exist in the sense that the new caverns have water in some areas.

[Urist Imiknorris]

Yes, I think they just occur less in 2010

Why do people keep saying stuff like this?

The old special features do not exist anymore. None of them do in the previous form. Magma pipes still exist in volcanoes, and go all the way down to the magma sea, as do magma pools, which still sometimes occur (although I haven't yet seen one). Underground rivers, pits, and chasms no longer exist at all, and underground pools sort of exist in the sense that the new caverns have water in some areas.

Pits still exist, see my previous post. They aren't infinite, though. And I can confirm that magma pools exist; my first 31.01 fort had one.

[Boingboingsplat]

They aren't really pools anymore, just pipes that extend up from the magma sea. They seem to be misnamed.

[Urist Imiknorris]

They aren't really pools anymore, just pipes that extend up from the magma sea. They seem to be misnamed.

The one I had had ~4 z-levels of magma, followed by open space up to the second cavern.

[Boingboingsplat]

They aren't really pools anymore, just pipes that extend up from the magma sea. They seem to be misnamed.

The one I had had ~4 z-levels of magma, followed by open space up to the second cavern.

Well, if it went all the way up to the 1st cavern layer I'm sure you'd agree it's a pipe. Those are still called pools.

[Vercingetorix]

Generally, the upper levels are where you'll find the richest veins of ores; down in the caverns, it's a lot of really nice stuff like native gold and other precious metals/gems, but the upper levels are where you'll find your iron ore.

I just love the fact that I can put my smelters/wood furnaces/forges on repeat and have them run more or less as routinely as a craftsdwarf's workshop cranking out stone crap goods.

[Shoku]

You set the exact number of volcanos open to the surface now. Back in 40d minimum volcanoes was a rejection parameter but now it just makes that number in the world.