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[webadict]

Why would you ever pick KWN?

[Org]

Why would you ever pick KWN?

Why not.

[webadict]

Because there are plenty of non-mindscrew games out there.

[Org]

Because there are plenty of non-mindscrew games out there.

Yeah, but they aren't as fun!

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, tehstefan was netadict.  Also, both players who died were town aligned (hence the green names).

webadict: Mr.Person
Mr.Person: ToonyMan, webadict, Org

[Solifuge]

I recieved an Anonymous Spoiler at the end of last night:

The duel between Webadict and GeneralGuy wouldn't have been any better for town if GeneralGuy had won instead.

I take that to mean that Webadict is clean, unless the Anonymous Spoiler came from scum... in which case they could also be trying to frame him. Did anyone else get one of these last night?

[Org]

Whoever cobrawhatever is game me a choice of one use powers that seem like they ahve a catch

[Ottofar]

Whoever cobrawhatever is game me a choice of one use powers that seem like they ahve a catch

Me too.

[Solifuge]

I got this too. Did anyone net get this PM? Because if everyone did, I have...

*lightning flashes*

...a plan.

[Jim Groovester]

I, too, received a mysterious visit from cobrarsenic.

I was also blocked. Somebody decided they wanted to distract me. Now why would they go do that?

I believe somebody asked a question a while back? Could whoever that was repost it?

That was me. I wanted to know your reasons for suspecting Leafsnail.

I also wanted to see if you would respond entirely seriously. Because Leafsnail's the mod, you know.

I've got a pretty good feeling that Mr. Person is scum. High bullshit quotient, plus spewing WIFOM everywhere, plus suspecting the mod. Not pretty.

Also, I've recently started an internship, so my ability to participate will be severely limited for a while. I'll try to post when I can.

[webadict]

I, too, received powers/visit from Cobra.

Anyone else get the feeling that the powers are a trap?

... And it wasn't Org's doing?!? ... I'm Sparticus?

[ToonyMan]

I got'em too.

[Solifuge]

Mr. Person, you are a right silly ninnymuggins if you start suspecting the Mod. Also, did you get any powers?

[Mr.Person]

Hmm... ok, well, Webadict, didn't you roleclaim that you got information each night?

Yes, I too got three one-shots. I wonder, are they different for each of us? I gots a protect, inspect, and roleblock.

I recieved an Anonymous Spoiler at the end of last night:

The duel between Webadict and GeneralGuy wouldn't have been any better for town if GeneralGuy had won instead.

I take that to mean that Webadict is clean, unless the Anonymous Spoiler came from scum... in which case they could also be trying to frame him. Did anyone else get one of these last night?

Interesting development. I believe the logical thing to do here would be to lynch whoever gave you this information. It'd give us a confirmed townie of Webadict, no less. Of course, I highly doubt whoever gave you that information was town-aligned. I don't think they were mafia, probably some third-party with a plot.


This is a bit complex, so stay with me.

Okay Org, then think of it this way: If we're both scum, who would be harder to get rid of later?

The logical conclusion here would be "Webadict's harder to lynch than . Why would Webadict tell Org to lynch Webadict?

Or, is there more? Because once I'm lynched, and I come up TOWN (not mafia, SK, cult, jester, survivor, or lyncher), you can smash your head into your desk several times, okay? Okay.

He seems pretty sure he's going to get lynched here.

So I got curious, maybe he does want himself lynched. I stated as such.

I actually would prefer not to be lynched, but it's nice to see that I can get lynched easily if I'm ever a jester.

The only bonus to me being lynched is that Cheeetar gets lynched.

That's a very bad response. He was justifying lynching himself. Nobody with a brain tries to justify themselves getting lynched. If YOU think it's a good idea, your enemies will certainly think it's also a good idea. And with EVERYBODY ELSE thinking it's a good idea, watch as people join your bandwagon.

This was also very passive. He was saying nothing useful, so I dug deeper. PotC statement here.

Wow, way to instill WIFOM, Mr.Person, especially after saying you'd rather have supported me. That seems like an effective way to make everyone suspicious of everything, don't you think?

First off, now that I've had a night of sleep (haven't had a full night of sleep in 4 days, 2 of those were all-nighters), I can call you on your bullshit. Saying "He might be a PotC" is not WIFOM. WIFOM can be best summed up by "Would the mafia do that, or would they know I'd think they'd do that and do the opposite instead?". And I can't fit a PotC callout into that template. Can you?

That being said, Webadict is correct that if we spend all of our time thinking about PotC's and what not, we'll all go insane and "make everyone suspicious of everything". Then again, not only is this mafia, this is a crazy modded game of mafia where we really should be suspicious of everything. It's always best to assume the roleflips are right until something says otherwise. That something can be cop inspections, watchers seeing a "Townie" performing an action, or just missing at lylo and the game not being over.

But ok, you think I'm spreading WIFOM. Do you call me scum? No. Do you ask me questions to determine if I'm scum? No. Do you ask me why I said what I said, or why I'm spreading WIFOM, or anything useful at all? No. Instead, you say the equivalent of this

You're spreading WIFOM, yes?

To which I said, "No, I don't think so, explain."

Really? Really?!? You just said that I could be a Pillar of the Community! You moron! Did you have short term memory loss?!? You're pre-WIFOMing my death!

Again, an odd response from Webadict. No questions, no statements of my alignment, nothing. He didn't even answer my question. Fucking useless.

Let's see how Webadict usually reacts to being called a Jester. This is from iPick Mafia, day one.

Lots of crap

You seriously believe I'm a Jester?

... Really? You do realize you're only rationale for that is that you assume I'm wrong about dakarian. I was also almost lynched. I could've easily gotten one more vote and lynched myself by doing much more. You guys are incredibly stupid if you're really thinking THAT was a Jester play. You guys have no idea what a Jester is.

If I were a Jester, I'd simply ignore the game completely. Literally. I would post in EVERY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE. I was at one vote away from being able to lynch myself. You either think I'm the worst player that ever played, or you have some really bad ideas popping through your head.

But, hey. If you want to believe I'm a Jester, it only saves me from being killed, right? Once I'm dead, I'm proven Town, and that's that. But, while I'm alive, I can point out the scum and have people listen to me.

Get over yourself, SirBayer, and get some original ideas too.

...

Note that Webadict was town in that game. And since Webadict is acting very differently this game than from iPick, I'm forced to conclude his alignment is different, thus he's scum.

Mr. Person, you are a right silly ninnymuggins if you start suspecting the Mod. Also, did you get any powers?

Seriously? Are you even trying? You're calling me scummy for not trusting the mod? Can the rest of you see his obvious scumminess?

[webadict]

Hmm... ok, well, Webadict, didn't you roleclaim that you got information each night?

Yes, I too got three one-shots. I wonder, are they different for each of us? I gots a protect, inspect, and roleblock.

I recieved an Anonymous Spoiler at the end of last night:

The duel between Webadict and GeneralGuy wouldn't have been any better for town if GeneralGuy had won instead.

I take that to mean that Webadict is clean, unless the Anonymous Spoiler came from scum... in which case they could also be trying to frame him. Did anyone else get one of these last night?

Interesting development. I believe the logical thing to do here would be to lynch whoever gave you this information. It'd give us a confirmed townie of Webadict, no less. Of course, I highly doubt whoever gave you that information was town-aligned. I don't think they were mafia, probably some third-party with a plot.


This is a bit complex, so stay with me.

Okay Org, then think of it this way: If we're both scum, who would be harder to get rid of later?

The logical conclusion here would be "Webadict's harder to lynch than . Why would Webadict tell Org to lynch Webadict?

Or, is there more? Because once I'm lynched, and I come up TOWN (not mafia, SK, cult, jester, survivor, or lyncher), you can smash your head into your desk several times, okay? Okay.

He seems pretty sure he's going to get lynched here.

So I got curious, maybe he does want himself lynched. I stated as such.

I actually would prefer not to be lynched, but it's nice to see that I can get lynched easily if I'm ever a jester.

The only bonus to me being lynched is that Cheeetar gets lynched.

That's a very bad response. He was justifying lynching himself. Nobody with a brain tries to justify themselves getting lynched. If YOU think it's a good idea, your enemies will certainly think it's also a good idea. And with EVERYBODY ELSE thinking it's a good idea, watch as people join your bandwagon.

This was also very passive. He was saying nothing useful, so I dug deeper. PotC statement here.

Wow, way to instill WIFOM, Mr.Person, especially after saying you'd rather have supported me. That seems like an effective way to make everyone suspicious of everything, don't you think?

First off, now that I've had a night of sleep (haven't had a full night of sleep in 4 days, 2 of those were all-nighters), I can call you on your bullshit. Saying "He might be a PotC" is not WIFOM. WIFOM can be best summed up by "Would the mafia do that, or would they know I'd think they'd do that and do the opposite instead?". And I can't fit a PotC callout into that template. Can you?

That being said, Webadict is correct that if we spend all of our time thinking about PotC's and what not, we'll all go insane and "make everyone suspicious of everything". Then again, not only is this mafia, this is a crazy modded game of mafia where we really should be suspicious of everything. It's always best to assume the roleflips are right until something says otherwise. That something can be cop inspections, watchers seeing a "Townie" performing an action, or just missing at lylo and the game not being over.

But ok, you think I'm spreading WIFOM. Do you call me scum? No. Do you ask me questions to determine if I'm scum? No. Do you ask me why I said what I said, or why I'm spreading WIFOM, or anything useful at all? No. Instead, you say the equivalent of this

You're spreading WIFOM, yes?

To which I said, "No, I don't think so, explain."

Really? Really?!? You just said that I could be a Pillar of the Community! You moron! Did you have short term memory loss?!? You're pre-WIFOMing my death!

Again, an odd response from Webadict. No questions, no statements of my alignment, nothing. He didn't even answer my question. Fucking useless.

Let's see how Webadict usually reacts to being called a Jester. This is from iPick Mafia, day one.

Lots of crap

You seriously believe I'm a Jester?

... Really? You do realize you're only rationale for that is that you assume I'm wrong about dakarian. I was also almost lynched. I could've easily gotten one more vote and lynched myself by doing much more. You guys are incredibly stupid if you're really thinking THAT was a Jester play. You guys have no idea what a Jester is.

If I were a Jester, I'd simply ignore the game completely. Literally. I would post in EVERY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE. I was at one vote away from being able to lynch myself. You either think I'm the worst player that ever played, or you have some really bad ideas popping through your head.

But, hey. If you want to believe I'm a Jester, it only saves me from being killed, right? Once I'm dead, I'm proven Town, and that's that. But, while I'm alive, I can point out the scum and have people listen to me.

Get over yourself, SirBayer, and get some original ideas too.

...

Note that Webadict was town in that game. And since Webadict is acting very differently this game than from iPick, I'm forced to conclude his alignment is different, thus he's scum.

Mr. Person, you are a right silly ninnymuggins if you start suspecting the Mod. Also, did you get any powers?

Seriously? Are you even trying? You're calling me scummy for not trusting the mod? Can the rest of you see his obvious scumminess?

Hmm... ok, well, Webadict, didn't you roleclaim that you got information each night?

Yes, I too got three one-shots. I wonder, are they different for each of us? I gots a protect, inspect, and roleblock.

I recieved an Anonymous Spoiler at the end of last night:

The duel between Webadict and GeneralGuy wouldn't have been any better for town if GeneralGuy had won instead.

I take that to mean that Webadict is clean, unless the Anonymous Spoiler came from scum... in which case they could also be trying to frame him. Did anyone else get one of these last night?

Interesting development. I believe the logical thing to do here would be to lynch whoever gave you this information. It'd give us a confirmed townie of Webadict, no less. Of course, I highly doubt whoever gave you that information was town-aligned. I don't think they were mafia, probably some third-party with a plot.


This is a bit complex, so stay with me.

Okay Org, then think of it this way: If we're both scum, who would be harder to get rid of later?

The logical conclusion here would be "Webadict's harder to lynch than . Why would Webadict tell Org to lynch Webadict?

Or, is there more? Because once I'm lynched, and I come up TOWN (not mafia, SK, cult, jester, survivor, or lyncher), you can smash your head into your desk several times, okay? Okay.

He seems pretty sure he's going to get lynched here.

So I got curious, maybe he does want himself lynched. I stated as such.

I actually would prefer not to be lynched, but it's nice to see that I can get lynched easily if I'm ever a jester.

The only bonus to me being lynched is that Cheeetar gets lynched.

That's a very bad response. He was justifying lynching himself. Nobody with a brain tries to justify themselves getting lynched. If YOU think it's a good idea, your enemies will certainly think it's also a good idea. And with EVERYBODY ELSE thinking it's a good idea, watch as people join your bandwagon.

This was also very passive. He was saying nothing useful, so I dug deeper. PotC statement here.

Wow, way to instill WIFOM, Mr.Person, especially after saying you'd rather have supported me. That seems like an effective way to make everyone suspicious of everything, don't you think?

First off, now that I've had a night of sleep (haven't had a full night of sleep in 4 days, 2 of those were all-nighters), I can call you on your bullshit. Saying "He might be a PotC" is not WIFOM. WIFOM can be best summed up by "Would the mafia do that, or would they know I'd think they'd do that and do the opposite instead?". And I can't fit a PotC callout into that template. Can you?

That being said, Webadict is correct that if we spend all of our time thinking about PotC's and what not, we'll all go insane and "make everyone suspicious of everything". Then again, not only is this mafia, this is a crazy modded game of mafia where we really should be suspicious of everything. It's always best to assume the roleflips are right until something says otherwise. That something can be cop inspections, watchers seeing a "Townie" performing an action, or just missing at lylo and the game not being over.

But ok, you think I'm spreading WIFOM. Do you call me scum? No. Do you ask me questions to determine if I'm scum? No. Do you ask me why I said what I said, or why I'm spreading WIFOM, or anything useful at all? No. Instead, you say the equivalent of this

You're spreading WIFOM, yes?

To which I said, "No, I don't think so, explain."

Really? Really?!? You just said that I could be a Pillar of the Community! You moron! Did you have short term memory loss?!? You're pre-WIFOMing my death!

Again, an odd response from Webadict. No questions, no statements of my alignment, nothing. He didn't even answer my question. Fucking useless.

Let's see how Webadict usually reacts to being called a Jester. This is from iPick Mafia, day one.

Lots of crap

You seriously believe I'm a Jester?

... Really? You do realize you're only rationale for that is that you assume I'm wrong about dakarian. I was also almost lynched. I could've easily gotten one more vote and lynched myself by doing much more. You guys are incredibly stupid if you're really thinking THAT was a Jester play. You guys have no idea what a Jester is.

If I were a Jester, I'd simply ignore the game completely. Literally. I would post in EVERY OTHER GAME EXCEPT THIS ONE. I was at one vote away from being able to lynch myself. You either think I'm the worst player that ever played, or you have some really bad ideas popping through your head.

But, hey. If you want to believe I'm a Jester, it only saves me from being killed, right? Once I'm dead, I'm proven Town, and that's that. But, while I'm alive, I can point out the scum and have people listen to me.

Get over yourself, SirBayer, and get some original ideas too.

...

Note that Webadict was town in that game. And since Webadict is acting very differently this game than from iPick, I'm forced to conclude his alignment is different, thus he's scum.

Mr. Person, you are a right silly ninnymuggins if you start suspecting the Mod. Also, did you get any powers?

Seriously? Are you even trying? You're calling me scummy for not trusting the mod? Can the rest of you see his obvious scumminess?

^ All I can do is LOL at this post.

Let's see... Rolefishing, three times. Terrible reasoning, everywhere. And lying with a dash of misconception.

You try to find out what everyone else has gotten for their roles during the Night. You ask from whom Solifuge got his information. And you ask what I learned from my role. I mean, you know you're a goner, so why not take what you can from the Town, right?

You're also saying that a THIRD PARTY is sending Solifuge secret information to make me (Am I scum according to your reasoning) look Town. ... Riiiiiiight. I mean, if I were a third party, that'd be the PERFECT way to make myself look Town. Also, you wish to lynch the source of this, so that instead of scumhunting or anything useful, we can waste a lynch proving someone who will die the next Night. Thumbs up for the reasoning.

I told Org to vote whoever because that's the logical thing for him to do. Seriously, if I had a choice between scum Mr.Person or scum Toaster, I'd lynch scum Mr.Person. This is a pretty straightfoward case and does not affect whether I'm scum or not.

And I had the majority (Or perhaps I was tied), when I said that. Some of us have to make cases. If I wanted myself lynched, I wouldn't post a HUGE LIST OF INFORMATION. My God! Call that WIFOM, but everyone knows I was the clear shot to be lynched. Maybe not for good reasons, but I was the obvious lynch, no? Using a hindsight bias now just makes your argument terrible and scummy.

Either way, even if it's not the true definition of WIFOM, it is scummy in all accounts. You're basically trying to defame me or make yourself look better from my lynch. You're covering yourself because you knew I would come up Town, and with your attacks being repeatedly shot down, you needed something, so you tried to say that I was basically scum when I die and show up Town.

And if you're going to complain about me not asking me questions, then how about deal with straight-up findings that I perceive and you can debate their accuracy as we're currently doing. Or is that too scummy of me?

You're then trying to justify my scumminess using meta, which is an okay justification if it weren't about two months old. It's also fallacious in that it assumes Correlation Implies Causation. You're assuming that my freak-out there is caused SOLELY by calling me a Jester, as opposed to having built-up anger over being not listened to and being ganged-up on by several people for it. It's the same thing for Cheeetar's post where I did that huge anger post as scum: I needed people to swear at me there.

So, it works if most of your argument weren't built upon it.

And I do call you scum. Several times. So much that I switch to you being my chainlynch target. Why didn't you bother quoting that?