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[Jim Groovester]

You do the same thing, haha.

Hey, I'm trying to see what webadict's done from a town perspective, but it's just not happening for me.

All I see are enormous mistakes that webadict was too proud to admit he made.

[webadict]

You do the same thing, haha.

Hey, I'm trying to see what webadict's done from a town perspective, but it's just not happening for me.

All I see are enormous mistakes that webadict was too proud to admit he made.

I don't make mistakes; I make progress.

[Zako]

/double take

Am...did I post that? Oh yeah. I did. And in that post, I'm pretty sure I just addressed every point you're now making. Huh.

1. I didn't post "actual proof" because there was six pages of it, go take your own pick if you want to see proof of you tunneling.

2. You found Jim was scum? Whoa man. That would be impressive if Jim wasn't the guy you've been tunneling for almost seven pages now.

3. It would be incredible of you to know my reasons for voting you, except for two small details: A. You don't know, and B. I'm voting you because I believe you're scum, not because it's a convenient bandwagon. If I was the only one voting you, I would still believe your sorry ass is scum.

4. You haven't been scumhunting more, dude. You've been trying to wear Jim down for this entire time. Rolefishing, tunneling, and being a general scummy player does not constitute hunting.

Well give me a small part of this proof then, otherwise your just full of crap.
You didn't read my reply to your post properly. I suspected he was scum, pushed more, then confirmed he was scum and now I want to lynch him. It's that simple, you are just not wanting to lynch him, which is suspicious.
Well tell me your reasons for voting for me, since I obviously don't know them. And you voted for me after like 3 other people did, with no reason. That is scummy.
Oh, I'm sorry for not conforming to your standards of crap.It just seems logical for when you find a scumbag (jim) you focus on him to lynch him.

What you're saying is that jim shouldn't be lynched, but you provide inadequate excuses why. This is buddying Joker, and it's scummy. Jim can defend himself. Your arguement is scummy with no referencing to specific proof, like solifuge, and you want me gone to protect jim.

Unvote Solifuge I'll get back to you scumbucket. Jokerman-EXE, why are you protecting Jim?

[Mr.Person]

I've got a few minutes to make a quick post.

/double take

Am...did I post that? Oh yeah. I did. And in that post, I'm pretty sure I just addressed every point you're now making. Huh.

1. I didn't post "actual proof" because there was six pages of it, go take your own pick if you want to see proof of you tunneling.

Tunelling is not scummy. Where in the world did you hear that tunneling was scummy?

2. You found Jim was scum? Whoa man. That would be impressive if Jim wasn't the guy you've been tunneling for almost seven pages now.

What exactly are you saying here? You seem to be implying something.

3. It would be incredible of you to know my reasons for voting you, except for two small details: A. You don't know, and B. I'm voting you because I believe you're scum, not because it's a convenient bandwagon. If I was the only one voting you, I would still believe your sorry ass is scum.

And why would he not know your argument? Because you never said it?

4. You haven't been scumhunting more, dude. You've been trying to wear Jim down for this entire time. Rolefishing, tunneling, and being a general scummy player does not constitute hunting.

Zako did not rolefish, damn. He's said several times that there's no way that Webadict is an investigative role, so the only way Web would know so fast anybody's alignment is because he's scum. What, exactly, is unreasonable about that argument?

Zako's stuck in a scum feedback loop. Everything I do only convinces him more and more that I am scum.

That would probably be because you do scummy things, and he's calling you on them. Way to point out the obvious, though.

[Jokerman-EXE]

Zako, you're putting words in my mouth and intentions on my plate that don't exist.

I'm not trying to protect Jim, rest assured of that. I simply believe that out of the two of you, you're the scummier. If it makes you feel better, know that I've been watching him too and he's not far behind you in terms of scummitude.

Apparently I'm mistaken, then, having read what you and Mr.P have to say. Single-minded pursuit of a lone person seemed like you trying your hardest to throw attention from yourself - you can see that, surely. However, I have thought about it a little. On Day 1, when there are plenty of people to tear into each other, you can afford to focus more on a single person. That alone doesn't make you scummy.

However, your apparent rolefishing on Jim is what has me still on you. Mr.Person, you're talking about something else that I don't even know. I'm referring to Zako trying to get Jim to admit an investigative role. And unless I'm mistaken, which I might be because I skimmed a lot of those pages, this all stemmed from Jim saying that Toony hasn't played in a Wizard Duel before, or something like that. (Am I right?)

All in all, it bears more looking into. I'd like a fresh perspective as well, from someone like Solifuge or Leafy who I haven't heard from in a while.

[Zako]

It sure sounded like you were trying to protect him. Now you're just trying to deny it so to not seem scummy.

Why would I try to throw attention off myself? I was scumhunting, found a scumbag and focused on him to lynch him. And I would have focused on more people, but other than webadict, who I don't think is that scummy, noone was talking much until today.

I wasn't rolefishing, jim is just saying that to shift blame off him and onto me. I was saying that there was no way that a townie (jim) could know that ToonyMan was innocent (he buddied with ToonyMan) unless they were a cop or are scumbuddies with him. I decided that scumbuddies was more likely since cops dont want to advertise themselves so early and then focused on him to get more scumtells from him. To much success I add.

Solifuge is obviously scum, its easy to tell. Leafy, however I haven't got a clue about since hes so quiet. Does bear looking into.

[Jokerman-EXE]

I wasn't trying to protect him. I made that much clear from the very beginning. But think what you will. I'll prove it to you that I've been watching him as well when it comes time.

Why would you throw attention off yourself? Well, if you were scum, that's exactly what you'd want to do. Still, I'm not yet sure you weren't trying to do just that. You're right though, we need more people talking in order to make more judgments.

I'm gonna need some quotes from this rolefishing confrontation, then. I thought it was about something else. Can you show me what you're talking about?

When I said fresh perspective, I meant for people (I used Soli and Leafy as examples) to put their two cents in on what they think of our exchange. I appreciate your action in giving your thoughts, though.

[Pandarsenic]

Advice for Zako: People can answer questions for other people or say things that aren't attacks on other people without knowing their alignment, being their scumbuddy, or what have you.

[Mr.Person]

Aaah, crap. I made a bit of a mistake. I seriously confused Webadict with Jim. Fuck me, they're both being annoying little shits. Especially you, Web. You're doing things you know you shouldn't be doing. Does that stop you? Fuck no, you just continue onward! Mush! Mush! At least I don't think Jim's doing stupid things on purpose. I just don't think he's able to gain a footing for his scumhunting. What I mean is, he's not really pushing the players he think are scum well. Scummy? Maybe a little bit, but I don't think he's got intent. I believe he's trying, I just wish he'd try harder or try pushing a different player.

Hmm... Jokerman... I could question you all night and be no closer to figuring you out. You seem a lot more mellow than you have been in other games when I accuse you of being scum. Does anybody know what that means? To me it's like reading tea leaves, seriously.

I'm very worried about ToonyMan. Usually, him not doing anything crazy by this point in the game is a sure sign he's scum. He's also been unusually quite about things he'd normally get very noisy about. Like, oh, ANYTHING AT ALL?

@Everyone: Answering a question for another player is not an indicator of anything except what the answering player thought the answer to the question was. It's not a sign that the answering player thinks the asked player is town or whatever, it just means that they think they know the answer and are saving time. Is it a good thing? No. Should anybody do it? No. Does it mean they're scum? No. So let's just shut up about Zako's question answering.

[Mr.Person]

*Zako and question answering.

Fuck this, I'm sleeping.

[Cheeetar]

Oh goddamnit you guys. I go to sleep and now this.

"Oh yeah you guys Webadict sure seems town-like what with all his insulting people and voting for himself, I mean scum Webadict would never explode like this, right?"

Spoiler: Oh wait, he totally has. (click to show/hide)

Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.

Yep, that's why I'm totally voting him. I'm voting him to bus him, my scum partner. That's where my vote is, so that he will be lynched. My vote. To lynch him. The person I'm voting for. Because I'm voting him. With my vote. My vote.

My. Vote.

Vote.

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

YOU STUPID IDIOT!

Where is this bus? I'm pointing out he's stupid. I'm not voting him. I'm not trying to make him scummy. I'm saying he's a moron, but you just made him look like Stephan Hawking.

Holy crap. You make me ashamed to be in the same game as you. Please, go to the corner and maybe we'll let you come back when you learn to use big-boy logic. Okay? But for now, you can just try and think in your head before speaking a load of crap out loud.

OH WAIT I'M BUSSING YOU! OH NO! IT'S NOT MY FAULT THAT MY VOTE'S NOT ON YOU! STUPID BUSSES! HOW COULD I KEEP BUSSING PEOPLE!?!?!?

Yeah, whatever. Please be sure to lock yourself up somewhere so that you aren't a danger to others.

I don't understand your post. Claimed what a number of times? What?

He's saying to stop being an idiot in a nice way. Don't think you deserve it.

He was scum in that game, just so you know.

"Zako sure seems town-like, he rolefishes and uses stupid arguments but Webadict is his friend so he's cool right?"


No. Goddamnit. Let's make this simple:
We're voting Webadict out because he voted himself. It's a policy lynch that makes perfect sense and Jim has already explained.
We're voting out Zako for insisting for 3 pages straight that Jim roleclaim investigator.

[Cheeetar]

And yes, it was a staged scum fight in that game, just like I said. I am just that good.

[Pandarsenic]

Spoiler: Cheeetar's post (click to show/hide)

Oh goddamnit you guys. I go to sleep and now this.

"Oh yeah you guys Webadict sure seems town-like what with all his insulting people and voting for himself, I mean scum Webadict would never explode like this, right?"
[spoiler=Oh wait, he totally has.]

Webadict-Pandarsenic fight is a staged fight by scum to bus each other. I unvote Archangel, and vote Webadict.

Yep, that's why I'm totally voting him. I'm voting him to bus him, my scum partner. That's where my vote is, so that he will be lynched. My vote. To lynch him. The person I'm voting for. Because I'm voting him. With my vote. My vote.

My. Vote.

Vote.

VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

YOU STUPID IDIOT!

Where is this bus? I'm pointing out he's stupid. I'm not voting him. I'm not trying to make him scummy. I'm saying he's a moron, but you just made him look like Stephan Hawking.

Holy crap. You make me ashamed to be in the same game as you. Please, go to the corner and maybe we'll let you come back when you learn to use big-boy logic. Okay? But for now, you can just try and think in your head before speaking a load of crap out loud.

OH WAIT I'M BUSSING YOU! OH NO! IT'S NOT MY FAULT THAT MY VOTE'S NOT ON YOU! STUPID BUSSES! HOW COULD I KEEP BUSSING PEOPLE!?!?!?

Yeah, whatever. Please be sure to lock yourself up somewhere so that you aren't a danger to others.

I don't understand your post. Claimed what a number of times? What?

He's saying to stop being an idiot in a nice way. Don't think you deserve it.

He was scum in that game, just so you know.

"Zako sure seems town-like, he rolefishes and uses stupid arguments but Webadict is his friend so he's cool right?"


No. Goddamnit. Let's make this simple:
We're voting Webadict out because he voted himself. It's a policy lynch that makes perfect sense and Jim has already explained.
We're voting out Zako for insisting for 3 pages straight that Jim roleclaim investigator.
[/quote][/spoiler]

Oh man, that was a fun game.

And if anything, I think Zako would've backed off from Jim if he claimed an investigator. Or gone nuts over it screaming Jim was trying to save himself.

Yeah, I dunno. Zako, why bring that up so much?

[Zako]

Not entirely true in my opinion Pandarsenic, but still point taken.

I actually have proof, unlike you jim. My proof is that how can you be so sure that ToonyMan is not scum? A ordinary townie wouldn't know, they would be suspicious instead and leave ToonyMan to defend himself and then gauge his reaction to see if he's scum. The only way you would know if he's scum or not is if you are scumbuddies with him or are an investigative role of some kind. Either way, you will die quickly and odds are you are scum since an investigative role would be quiet this early in the game.

Unvote ToonyMan, Vote Jim Groovester. Do not blame my inexperience for your scummyness, scum.

I made this in reply to jim's overreaction with the purpose of pushing harder on him. This what my argument is based on. He would not have known that ToonyMan was innocent and defended him unless he was a cop or scumbuddies with him. Scumbuddies is more likely, so I focused on that. Jim called it rolefishing, but he was trying to throw suspicion off of him, which is scummy. The arguement branches out from there, and jim starts showing more scumtells as time goes on and he slips up again and again.

And I'm curious about your self-voting webadict, you say your aims were to get two scum in the duel right? Then why vote for yourself, if you are not scum? Either this is some sort of scum tatic or he's some kind of jester, and I reckon he's the jester since he hasn't given out that many scumtells. Unlike jim, who doesn't answer questions directly but focus' on my newbiness, buddies with toonyman, avoids the question and tries to avert attention from himself and onto webadict.

This is a list of scumtells that he makes in his replies, not including him saying that my questions are a waste of time which he says multiple times and is extremely scummy.

And now cheeetar is believing jim. Go ahead and believe the scum, im sure that wont bite you on the ass.

More later.

[Cheeetar]

Could we get a vote count in here?