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Jim Groovester

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Re: Bay 12 Mafia - Vote Phase One - Fun With Magic
« Reply #210 on: May 23, 2010, 10:44:10 pm »

No, no, no, webadict, you've got it all wrong.

The policy lynch in this game works even better because it does work differently than in Wizard Duel. We're still lynching people, but the process is only lengthened out a bit. It's a good idea in Wizard Duel because the scum's natural superiority in combat almost always wins them the duel, so it's a calculated risk. But without the random element, you basically volunteered to be lynched.

Instead of withdrawing your vote or trying to justify your self-vote you've instead tried to attack me for pointing out how it was WIFOM, and you're grasping for anything at all that you can use against me. But there's not much. This is hardly a compelling defense.

This is why I called your arguments weak. I didn't call you weak, but I'll happily oblige letting you put words in my mouth if I agree with them.

And yet... you have failed to find scum. At least in me. There's been approximately 6 hours or so of this game and you seem to be committing really fast on a lynch for all the wrong reasons as well.

No, I've found scum alright. You made a horrible Day 1 move and the more you try to get out of it the more you dig your own hole.
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Re: Bay 12 Mafia - Vote Phase One - Fun With Magic
« Reply #211 on: May 23, 2010, 10:52:39 pm »


That's not how this game works, Zako. The burden of proof lies upon you to prove me scum, and failing that, to provide enough evidence that everyone can agree upon that shows I am more suspicious then the next person.

Consider why you are accusing me. I corrected you. Anybody could have corrected you. You could have corrected yourself. Would you accuse everybody who corrected you of being scum?

You being wrong about ToonyMan's participation in Wizard Duels is a non-issue. Likewise, me correcting you is also a non-issue.

What is an issue, is that you think it is. You're new, so I'm going to assume that you just don't know how to go about this game, before I assume you're scum. Well, here's a hint: you're going about it all wrong.

I don't know how to correct your play in such a short amount of time, so you'll have to just figure it out on your own. But at the very least you should know that you don't accuse people of being scum over non-issues and demand they prove their innocence.

I actually have proof, unlike you jim. My proof is that how can you be so sure that ToonyMan is not scum? A ordinary townie wouldn't know, they would be suspicious instead and leave ToonyMan to defend himself and then gauge his reaction to see if he's scum. The only way you would know if he's scum or not is if you are scumbuddies with him or are an investigative role of some kind. Either way, you will die quickly and odds are you are scum since an investigative role would be quiet this early in the game.

Unvote ToonyMan, Vote Jim Groovester. Do not blame my inexperience for your scummyness, scum.
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Re: Bay 12 Mafia - Vote Phase One - Fun With Magic
« Reply #212 on: May 23, 2010, 11:22:14 pm »

No, no, no, webadict, you've got it all wrong.

The policy lynch in this game works even better because it does work differently than in Wizard Duel. We're still lynching people, but the process is only lengthened out a bit. It's a good idea in Wizard Duel because the scum's natural superiority in combat almost always wins them the duel, so it's a calculated risk. But without the random element, you basically volunteered to be lynched.

Instead of withdrawing your vote or trying to justify your self-vote you've instead tried to attack me for pointing out how it was WIFOM, and you're grasping for anything at all that you can use against me. But there's not much. This is hardly a compelling defense.

This is why I called your arguments weak. I didn't call you weak, but I'll happily oblige letting you put words in my mouth if I agree with them.

And yet... you have failed to find scum. At least in me. There's been approximately 6 hours or so of this game and you seem to be committing really fast on a lynch for all the wrong reasons as well.

No, I've found scum alright. You made a horrible Day 1 move and the more you try to get out of it the more you dig your own hole.
... I don't believe you believe what you're saying.

The fact that the scum have a BETTER chance in Wizard Duel means that what you're saying is incredibly inaccurate. That means they're taking less of a risk. This game, however, means there is an equal chance, if by only saying that votes are all equal.

I wasn't going to justify my self-vote: There's no reason for it. The scenario I want to create is putting two scum in the duel. Clearly, you're too busy not scum-hunting that you need to find a policy lynch for you and justify THAT. Clearly, you underthink what you're saying and what you're doing. You just made yourself look bad and your argument look like dung. If you think I'm scum, why aren't you bothering to actually make it look like you're trying to make a point about it. You're throwing policy lynches at me, which is incredibly scummy on your part, and you're even trying to justify them with false information.

But, hey, you're the scummy one. If you're going to try and lynch me, you need to, ya know, try.

Ok, Webadict. Why didn't you point out a bunch of scumtells in GeneralGuy's posts if you can?

Cheeetar, that's really passive. Nothing to say about Webadict? ToonyMan? All the Org votes? Anything?
What? Why would I care about GeneralGuy? Why don't you point out everyone's scumtells ever? No, seriously, go back through every game and list every single scumtell that ever happened. And make up a few, too.

Because that seems to be as useful as what you're telling me to do. And lazy.
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Re: Bay 12 Mafia - Vote Phase One - Fun With Magic
« Reply #213 on: May 23, 2010, 11:34:58 pm »

 

I wasn't going to justify my self-vote: There's no reason for it. The scenario I want to create is putting two scum in the duel.

Okay. Webadict, did you just say, you are scum?

Also, throwing GeneralGuy in randomly. I don't recall playing with you before?

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« Reply #214 on: May 24, 2010, 12:03:11 am »

Org, if you and Webadict fought whom do you think would get more support?

Webadict: I'd rather not duel with you. Even if you're scum, people will probably support you and I'll still eat shit.

Toony: You've definitely stepped up your meta recently. Your Exterminator game totally changed how I think of your meta, in fact.

Webadict, a question for you: Why do you have a gun? :3
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« Reply #215 on: May 24, 2010, 12:20:49 am »

Ok Webadict. The reason I don't point out every scumtell ever is because I can't see them. You claim to see scumtells but won't point them out.

So why did you say you could see a bunch of scumtells if you won't point any out?

(I'm giving you a pass because I worded things really, really poorly and misread your post slightly. Sorry!)
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Re: Bay 12 Mafia - Vote Phase One - Fun With Magic
« Reply #216 on: May 24, 2010, 12:42:48 am »

After reading all these posts, it seems to me most people seem to consider Webadict scum, however, I'm not so sure myself that's the case.

Perhaps it is, and perhaps it isn't, but I'd much rather hear from other people right now, than vote for him. He's saying plenty, no need to add more pressure. I'd much rather vote for

GeneralGuy because if anyone seems jumpy and odd, its you. Perhaps your new, perhaps, but you just seem like to me, newbscum, and I want to hear more from you, unless you want to be thrown into the ring to face another. Webadict seems the most likely at this point.

My other vote goes for Ottofar, mainly because I haven't played against you, and I want to hear more from you. What's your opinion on this whole webadict business? Is he scum, is he not, and why?
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Re: Bay 12 Mafia - Vote Phase One - Fun With Magic
« Reply #217 on: May 24, 2010, 01:45:59 am »

I wasn't going to justify my self-vote: There's no reason for it. The scenario I want to create is putting two scum in the duel.
Okay. Webadict, did you just say, you are scum?

This is like the best thing webadict's ever said.

Clearly, you underthink what you're saying and what you're doing.

Look who's underthinking things now!

I actually have proof, unlike you jim. My proof is that how can you be so sure that ToonyMan is not scum? A ordinary townie wouldn't know, they would be suspicious instead and leave ToonyMan to defend himself and then gauge his reaction to see if he's scum. The only way you would know if he's scum or not is if you are scumbuddies with him or are an investigative role of some kind. Either way, you will die quickly and odds are you are scum since an investigative role would be quiet this early in the game.

Unvote ToonyMan, Vote Jim Groovester. Do not blame my inexperience for your scummyness, scum.

When did I ever say ToonyMan was town? I didn't. Would you like to reevaluate your accusation?

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My newbie patience is wearing thin.
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Re: Bay 12 Mafia - Vote Phase One - Fun With Magic
« Reply #218 on: May 24, 2010, 03:31:12 am »

When did I ever say ToonyMan was town? I didn't. Would you like to reevaluate your accusation?

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That is seriously all you have to defend yourself? Come on, actually make an effort. Do more scumminess so we can all see it easier, you can do it!
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« Reply #219 on: May 24, 2010, 03:54:40 am »

Go find where I said ToonyMan. Then we'll talk.

That's all I have to say to you.
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« Reply #220 on: May 24, 2010, 03:59:59 am »

Vote Count as well please.

And I'm curious about your self-voting webadict, you say your aims were to get two scum in the duel right? Then why vote for yourself, if you are not scum? Either this is some sort of scum tatic or he's some kind of jester, and I reckon he's the jester since he hasn't given out that many scumtells. Unlike jim, who doesn't answer questions directly but focus' on my newbiness, buddies with toonyman, avoids the question and tries to avert attention from himself and onto webadict.

What is an issue, is that you think it is. You're new, so I'm going to assume that you just don't know how to go about this game, before I assume you're scum. Well, here's a hint: you're going about it all wrong.

How exactly am I doing this wrong? As I see it, I am scumhunting and you are giving out scumtells due to pressure.

No, I've found scum alright. You made a horrible Day 1 move and the more you try to get out of it the more you dig your own hole.

Here he doesn't supply much in the area of evidence, only his own unsuppported suspicions.

I'm certain he will give out more scumtells with more pressure, just squeeze him a bit and you'll see for yourself. Try it! He'll do what I described just now. Why? Because he is a steaming scumbucket and he knows he's caught and he's trying hard to get out of the hole he's in.
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« Reply #221 on: May 24, 2010, 04:01:21 am »

And look! He just did it again!
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« Reply #222 on: May 24, 2010, 04:05:15 am »

Go find where I said ToonyMan. Then we'll talk.

That's all I have to say to you.
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« Reply #223 on: May 24, 2010, 04:07:11 am »

Ah, crap.

EBWOP:

Go find where I said ToonyMan was town. Then we'll talk.

That's all I have to say to you.
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« Reply #224 on: May 24, 2010, 04:22:58 am »

You're changing the issue, the point is not if you said ToonyMan was or was not town, the point is that you supported him with no evidence saying that he was town unless you knew before hand that he was, either though being scumbuddies or investigating and saying that your an investigating role is unlikely, so therefore you are SCUM.
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