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Djohaal

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Defining "Dwarfy"
« on: May 06, 2010, 04:14:42 pm »

"dwarfy" as an adjective is used widely on the forums with several conotations. Here are some assorted forum quotes.

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We kick logic out the window and make the impossible possible!  Just who the hell do you think we are?!  WE'RE TEAM DWARF FORTRESS!!!

OURS IS THE PICK THAT CREATES THE HEAVENS!!!

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Guys, this is dwarf fortress.  The best way to build a pyramid is inverted.

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Christ, are you dwarves or are you elves? If you think Hell has too many demons, then youkill them till the population reaches an acceptable number.

So on...

My purpose here is to see what is the final definition to "dwarfy" the community can come up with.  :P


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I really want that one as a "when". I want "grubs", and "virgin woman" to turn into a dragon. and monkey children to suddenly sprout wings. And I want the Dwarven Mutant Academy to only gain their powers upon reaching puberty. I also have a whole host of odd creatures that only make sense if I divide them into children and adults.

Also, tadpoles.

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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2010, 05:37:48 pm »

Worthless, useless, bloody, very hot, wet, sharp, pointless, large, and the most ABSOLUTELY STUPID.
THIS IS DWARF FORTRESS! THIS IS WHAT WE PLAY! THIS, IS THE GAME ABOVE ALL GAMES!
ALL HAIL THE TOADY ONE!
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2010, 06:40:17 pm »

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I'd suggest the following definition for dwarfy:

Requirements:

It must not be the simplest solution to the problem, but it must solve it (note that omnicide is ALWAYS a valid solution).
It must either take a lot of resources (dwarves, time, stone, magma, blood, etc) OR a lot of ingenuity to implement.
It must lie towards the megalomaniacal/evil end of the grandure/ethical spectrum.

Bonus points:

Involvement of magma.
Involvement of stupidly rare/valuable/unethical substances such as slade, adamantine, forgotten beast body parts, blood, mermaid bones, etc.
Killing large numbers of dangerous/cute/good creatures. The more the better.
Needless size - why build a 15 z-level death shaft when you can build a 200 z-level one with magma-falls down the inside?
Needless cruelty, especially to sentients - see mermaid farming.
Ridiculous location - why build that temple to Armok 2 levels underground when you could build it 100 z levels in the sky, or under the magma ocean, or even in hell.
Epic bravery - send a single champion into the pits of hell wielding only a charred elf skull. He'll probably die, but if he survives it will be EPIC!
Needless disregard for nature - sure, the trees look pretty, but they'd look much more DWARVEN under 10 z-levels of magma.
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2010, 07:03:33 pm »

Personally I never regarded dwarves as evil. I consider them utterly insane and maniac, but no ethical judgement about them.
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I really want that one as a "when". I want "grubs", and "virgin woman" to turn into a dragon. and monkey children to suddenly sprout wings. And I want the Dwarven Mutant Academy to only gain their powers upon reaching puberty. I also have a whole host of odd creatures that only make sense if I divide them into children and adults.

Also, tadpoles.

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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2010, 07:07:42 pm »

I just define Dwarven as capable of doing what needs to be done, but it's also over the top and completely dangerous. Like a hardcore dwarf riding into battle on a cave blob.
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And you can't eat them, either, sadly. Even though it'd make sieges so much more fun; dwarves lining the walls, drooling and carrying sharp knives and forks, ready for the upcoming meals.

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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2010, 07:23:29 pm »

anything that involves some or all of the following:

Ridiculous size.
Blatant disregard for the safety of the workforce.
Systematic murder of sentient life.
Heavy abuse of exploits.
Magma
Water (sometimes in conjuction with magma)
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2010, 07:33:24 pm »

Utter disregard for the laws of physics when building a megaproject several z-levels aboveground supported by only a single wall segment made out of whatever was closest.
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2010, 11:58:14 pm »

MADNESS!  Utterly glorious, delicious, fantastic, ingenious MADNESS!

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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2010, 12:00:16 am »

The equivalent of taking Occam's razor, reaching inside it, and pulling it out by the physics until it's inside-out.

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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2010, 01:36:48 am »

Dwarfy (adj.)

Related to booze, beards, magma or killing.
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2010, 01:45:49 am »

Hi!

I think this is the simplest solution:

Dwarfy (adj.)
Dwarf Fortress slang. See cool (5 & 6 in Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary)

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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2010, 02:07:42 am »

I would say:

Bigger, MORE POWER-ey, awesomeness, impracticality, magma, alcohol, impulsiveness, insanity, amorality, 0 regard for safety or planning ahead or strategic level thinking. 
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2010, 03:41:18 am »

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I'd suggest the following definition for dwarfy:

Requirements:

It must not be the simplest solution to the problem, but it must solve it (note that omnicide is ALWAYS a valid solution).
It must either take a lot of resources (dwarves, time, stone, magma, blood, etc) OR a lot of ingenuity to implement.
It must lie towards the megalomaniacal/evil end of the grandure/ethical spectrum.

Bonus points:

Involvement of magma.
Involvement of stupidly rare/valuable/unethical substances such as slade, adamantine, forgotten beast body parts, blood, mermaid bones, etc.
Killing large numbers of dangerous/cute/good creatures. The more the better.
Needless size - why build a 15 z-level death shaft when you can build a 200 z-level one with magma-falls down the inside?
Needless cruelty, especially to sentients - see mermaid farming.
Ridiculous location - why build that temple to Armok 2 levels underground when you could build it 100 z levels in the sky, or under the magma ocean, or even in hell.
Epic bravery - send a single champion into the pits of hell wielding only a charred elf skull. He'll probably die, but if he survives it will be EPIC!
Needless disregard for nature - sure, the trees look pretty, but they'd look much more DWARVEN under 10 z-levels of magma.
I think nobody can explain the topic better than this definition, so my vote goes for...Uber Nube!
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2010, 07:40:03 am »

I don't know...

Some people define it as brutal or murderous. e.g. Killing elven traders as a matter of principle is 'dwarfy'. Drowning/burning/crushing nobles is 'dwarfy'.

Some people define it as over-complicated or more-difficult-than-it-needs-to-be. e.g. Embarking on a terrifying glacier is 'dwarfy'. Building everything out of glass is 'dwarfy'.

Some people define it as awe-inspiring (and often constructed with huge effort). e.g. Having a huge lava moat around your fortress is 'dwarfy'. Building your entire fortress on the sea floor from cast obsidian is 'dwarfy'.

I personally go more for the third definition. I don't see dwarves as being obsessive 'mad scientist' types, or blood-thirsty psychos. They just take great care and pride in their craftsdwarfship.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2010, 07:52:01 am by Dave Mongoose »
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Re: Defining "Dwarfy"
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2010, 07:44:51 am »

Nothing is too complicated. The more complicated, the better.

Challenges exist not to be met, but to be destroyed. People have drained the goddamn ocean. Nothing is impossible.

If something isn't working, choose one of the following options:
* Sacrifice goblin prisoners
* Sacrifice a noble
* Drown the elves
* Apply military
* Apply magma
If it's still not working, you're not doing enough of it.

Getting yourself killed due to doing something stupid is dwarfy, but not in the good way.

Defying Kicking physics in the family jewels is incredibly dwarfy (upside-down pyramids, magma forges made of ice, etc.)
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