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Re: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.
« Reply #105 on: May 06, 2010, 08:58:14 pm »

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« Reply #106 on: May 06, 2010, 08:58:26 pm »

The Sovereign Island of Aqizzar.  I'd be the President, the Secretary of State, the U.N. Ambassador, the Commander in Chief, the Vice Backwards Admiral, the Olympic Bobsled Team, and annual winner of Sovereign Island of Aqizzar Idol.  It's gonna be awesome.
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Re: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.
« Reply #107 on: May 06, 2010, 08:59:10 pm »

How many examples was that?  Like ten?  Compared to the thousands of arrests that happen each year?

Its a lotto.  The 'winner' is the loser...  unless nothing dies and the winner gets a blank check... And it only breaks even at best.
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« Reply #108 on: May 06, 2010, 08:59:31 pm »

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Despite your sarcasam, no, no effort will change it.

History has already proven you completely wrong. You think abuse of power is rampant now? Study 18th century government and enforcement. Society didn't magically transform from that craphole into the significantly less crapholey place it is now.

Power abuse happens on a very lesser level than it always has. Any potental technical flaws in an anti-corruption system will be exploited to the limit. Can you even imagine what SWAT did to that kid on a emotional level? He might think that crazed armed men could break into your house without reason at any time- Wait, that's what happened. SWAT will gear up to shoot themselves some lawbreakers on tips. It almost reminds me of witch trials. Got someone you want gone? Say that they are a witch, or in the modern day, give SWAT a tip that they are armed and dangerous drug lords. Same result, really.

It's their balls on the line if they actually kill someone. SWAT isn't about killing the badguys, it's about neutralizing a threat.

Also, I'd love to know how you seem to know so much about the police force that you can claim that they move against people on nothing but a tip without prior intelligence gathering. What happens in America is not true for the rest of the world.
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Re: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.
« Reply #109 on: May 06, 2010, 08:59:59 pm »

The Sovereign Island of Aqizzar.  I'd be the President, the Secretary of State, the U.N. Ambassador, the Commander in Chief, the Vice Backwards Admiral, the Olympic Bobsled Team, and annual winner of Sovereign Island of Aqizzar Idol.  It's gonna be awesome.

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I'll have the Gila Monster guard my kingdom.

Yeah, we never really did deal with that thing. As far as I know, it's still wandering around Texas.
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Re: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.
« Reply #110 on: May 06, 2010, 09:02:03 pm »

Greece is having an economic crisis, I bet you could buy one of their tiny islands, and then you could be a member of the EU and get aid shipments.  The only tough part would be a market economy, with only one person.
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« Reply #111 on: May 06, 2010, 09:04:33 pm »

I'd expect those to sell for dirt cheap, so move quickly. And by move quickly, I mean bend time and space and just sit there until they give you the darn thing.
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« Reply #112 on: May 06, 2010, 09:05:15 pm »

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Power abuse happens on a very lesser level than it always has. Any potental technical flaws in an anti-corruption system will be exploited to the limit.

Yep, which is why you continue to improve and enforce those anti-corruption systems, they, like all organisations, will bitch and scream and kick at anyone else holding authority over them, but if that authority doesn't fall apart from, say, public apathy *cough*, they'll submit to the new rules eventually. Then they'll abuse those new rules to the fullest yes, but then we just tighten up those new loopholes in subsequent inquests and reforms, don't we? The only key is public support. If the public think 'well we'll never change it, no point trying' then they make it true through apathy. If they protest and push and petition and so forth, things are forced to change. Maybe slowly, but they do.

I actually agree with your point on the kid being traumatized anyway, but that's just a symptom of the screwed system. Were it to happen to me or my children I would sue on every single count I could, because that really would fuck up the kid's sense of security, let alone faith in the police services to protect them. Also mine. Of course, I'd probably have been shot at the scene anyway, because my pets are parts of my family (small, intellectually disabled family) and I would have lost it completely if they'd been killed by a pack of deadshit gunmen.

edit: THIS THREAD IS GOING TOO FAST SLOW DOWN AGH
edit2: just to clarify, those loopholes we assume the police will be exploting? yes, new ones might pop up every time there's a reform but they usually won't be worse ones. The old loophole might've been that they can, say, arrest anyone they want at any time with as much force as they want (extreme example, not reflecting on anyone in particular) and not get in trouble if anyone dies 'resisting arrest'. The new loophole might be that they are required to provide thourough proof of a need to use their weapons during an arrest, but not really get in trouble if they can't. After a third reform, they might only be able to use non-lethal methods, but can instead beat the shit out of anyone 'resisting arrest'.

It can continue forever potentially (and will, knowing how humans are), but don't you think the increasing standards are a good thing? At the end of 3 reforms, these magical corrupt policemen no longer shoot 50 people a year, they only beat to death 15. Hooray progress!
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Re: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.
« Reply #113 on: May 06, 2010, 09:06:10 pm »

Greece is having an economic crisis, I bet you could buy one of their tiny islands, and then you could be a member of the EU and get aid shipments.

Yeah, but then you'd have to adopt the Euro and gas would be like 15 dollars a gallon.

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« Reply #114 on: May 06, 2010, 09:07:04 pm »

You don't have to adopt the Euro.
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« Reply #115 on: May 06, 2010, 09:07:35 pm »

The Sovereign Island of Aqizzar.  I'd be the President, the Secretary of State, the U.N. Ambassador, the Commander in Chief, the Vice Backwards Admiral, the Olympic Bobsled Team, and annual winner of Sovereign Island of Aqizzar Idol.  It's gonna be awesome.

The Sovereign Island of Aqizzar
Population: Aqizzar

What he needs to do is construct a system where numbers have letter equivalents and the letters will change day by day so no matter how many people come to live at the SIA, the population will always be "Aqizzar"
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Re: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.
« Reply #116 on: May 06, 2010, 09:09:09 pm »

Greece is having an economic crisis, I bet you could buy one of their tiny islands, and then you could be a member of the EU and get aid shipments.
Yeah, but then you'd have to adopt the Euro and gas would be like 15 dollars a gallon.

It's a small island, we can afford to Go Green.  We'll para-sail everywhere.  But I'm totally on board with an island in Europe.  I can enter my band Aqizzar (with their new hit single, Aqizzar) in Eurovision.  I'll We'll steal the show.
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« Reply #117 on: May 06, 2010, 09:29:19 pm »

The Sovereign Island of Aqizzar.  I'd be the President, the Secretary of State, the U.N. Ambassador, the Commander in Chief, the Vice Backwards Admiral, the Olympic Bobsled Team, and annual winner of Sovereign Island of Aqizzar Idol.  It's gonna be awesome.

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« Reply #118 on: May 06, 2010, 09:38:22 pm »

...This thread has taken a turn for the awesome.
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Re: Swat team raids house and kills pets over a small amount of pot.
« Reply #119 on: May 06, 2010, 09:40:09 pm »

Despite your sarcasam, no, no effort will change it. The abuse of power when given is somthing that cannot be stoped. If the police are not given power, then crime runs rampant. If police are given power, then they will abuse their status. There is no way past it.

Gee, then obviously we should crouch into a ball, and say "thank you sir" when these people kick you in the teeth. Sweet Jebus, man, don't you have a backbone? Are you a man or a sheep? Even if the game is rigged in their favor, are you seriously telling me that you think it's better to say thank you when they knock off your teeth, than to scheme how to get back at them&get reparations? Since when does acting quiet and meek deter bullies in any way whatsoever?  At the very least being noisy will make them more willing to settle the issue one way or the other.
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