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[Raviaric]

teeth/hooves are considered by the game to be of the same material as skin.

So when you lose all your limbs you gum people to death?

[tastypaste]

Does the bones = skin bug mean that bone bolts won't penetrate skin?

[Greiger]

Quality does seem to have a significant effect on the effectiveness of weapons or armor now too though.  I have seen in my most recent fortress high quality iron swords made by a legendary weaponsmith puncture steel armor about half the time.

I agree that teeth and horn materiel is seriously weird currently though.  I myself made some modifications to teeth (I think I gave them bone stats) Horn (Also bone) and nail (kind-of arbitrary number change).  Still seems really underpowered in my opinion.  A dog's teeth still can't penetrate any deeper than a tooth's size at any rate.  But at least they can break the skin now.

[Dwarfoloid]

Quality does seem to have a significant effect on the effectiveness of weapons or armor now too though.  I have seen in my most recent fortress high quality iron swords made by a legendary weaponsmith puncture steel armor about half the time.

Can you explain that in more detail?

I gave iron twice it's usual values for edge and every yield and fracture and tested it in the arena, but it wasn't still causing much in the way of penetration. Having twice the impact values of steel did seem increase blunt damage.

In fact, even if you give iron tensile-torsion-shear-bending yield and fracture of exactly one kilopascal lower than steel, it still fails to achieve reliable penetration.

Might be that quality affects items in it's own curious ways, not directly related to material system.

[Greiger]

I was under the impression that quality only affected max  edge and kinda assumed that was correct.  But changing the base max edge values didn't have any effect, maybe I'm wrong on how quality modifiers work.

But I saw masterwork iron weapons cut and stab through low quality steel and steel equivalent metals fairly often.  It wasn't every shot, but it wasn't one penetration every hundred strikes either.  It was probably about one penetration per 5 or so.

Now that I put more thought into it though it wasn't very scientific methody.  There were other variables.  My military as well as having high quality equipment were also all legendary fighters.  They also were at about professional with their weapon skill as well.  So it may have also been helped by soldier skill.

[o_O[WTFace]]

Might be that quality affects items in it's own curious ways, not directly related to material system.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=30026.msg1012311#msg1012311

Quality affects hit and block rolls and some of the material modifiers (edge at the very least).  Not that I know exactly what those rolls do. 

In fact, even if you give iron tensile-torsion-shear-bending yield and fracture of exactly one kilopascal lower than steel, it still fails to achieve reliable penetration.

Now that is incredibly strange.  It sounds like something is seriously broken because we know there are random elements that should make 1kPa difference almost undetectable.  This could could also account for the way that injuries don't seem to matter until a dwarf passes out or runs away.  Some -% to attack rolls that comes from having a broken arm or running low on blood means nothing because of whatever bug is causing any material advantage to be super incredibly important. 

[Arkenstone]

If you look at the modding forum, the issue of teeth/hooves being weak has been found to be a bug that can easily be fixed (teeth/hooves are considered by the game to be of the same material as skin).

Can you give me a link?  I've been searching but I can't seem to find it.

See this thread:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=55798.0

Thank you very much!


@WTFace:
I think that this is the first thing on Toady's list after the d# merge and bugfixing for that.