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[derigo]

It seems like if I remove say, stonecrafting from the enitity of a race I'm editing, that the entire crafting category of jobs in game disappears.  Has anyone else noticed this sort of behavior?  Since editing permitted jobs requires generating new worlds to see results, I haven't tested it very thoroughly, and was just wondering if other had noticed this.

[Warlord255]

Removing PERMITTED_JOB will disable the job for the civ, and prevent any goods related to that job from showing up in caravans.

[derigo]

What I mean is, if I remove 1 job in a category - like stonecrafting is in the 'crafts' category on the job menu in game -  then the entire category disappears off the jobs menu.  Even though weaving, leatherworking, etc are PERMITTED_JOBs, they aren't available.  The whole category is gone.  I first noticed this when I was trying to make a carnivorous race that didn't farm.  They still needed butchers.  But in order to have butchery be available on the jobs menu, I had to permit ALL of the farming related jobs.

[Kaelem Gaen]

It's a known problem,  I'm not sure how soon Toady will get around to fixing it.

[Toastergargletop]

Just so i don't have to start a new thread:

what job permitted tag can i use so that i don't require a dungeon master to train exotics?

[Deon]

You have to change all PET_EXOTIC to PET on the creatures you want to tame normally.

PET_EXOTIC means that they can be tamed by dungeon master only.

[derigo]

ooooor you could just give   [RESPONSIBILITY:TAME_EXOTICS]  to someone else in entity_default.txt, like your Expedition Leader and Mayor.  Either way, you're going to have to generate a new world.  If you're a masochist and go through all the creature raws and change all PET_EXOTIC's to PET's, you can use your existing world a little.  Creatures that are spawned after you make the change will be non-exotic.  But existing creatures will remain exotic.

[Deon]

Creatures that are spawned after you make the change will be non-exotic.  But existing creatures will remain exotic.

Lies  . Where did you get this info? I am pretty sure that there's no "leftover" token. Like, if you mod a creature to have two heads, those spawned before the change won't be left with 1 head.

[derigo]

You may certainly be right, I do not know for sure either way.

[Deon]

A-ha. You just sounded very confident about it, that's why I noted it.

[Alkyon]

Nah, changing the PET_EXOTIC tag to PET works instantly as soon as you reload your fortress.  I've trained groundhogs and warthogs and wolves and other animals I saw on my maps by altering the tags and reloading my fortress.  If you change a tag, it's changed.  You only have to re-gen with drastic changes such as adding animals, or plants.

[derigo]

Also, I don't believe you are able to change anything in the entity defs without genning a new world.

[Mohreb el Yasim]

Also, I don't believe you are able to change anything in the entity defs without genning a new world.

False, the permitted jobs are one of the few things wich don't need a regen.
The use of the phrase-begining "I think that ..." is quite usefull if you haven't tested something just heard on the forum or tougth it is like that ... the only good surce is test in dwarf fortress ... so that is why i correct myself to, i think it is possible to change since it was in the d40 versions, i would be surprised if it is not anymore in the new one ... (you need to chang in the saves folder bytheway)

[derigo]

Erm 'I don't believe' is just another way to express uncertainty.  It was not my intention to imply that I have definitive, all-encompassing knowledge of the subject.  However, in my experience, changing things in the entity defs has no effect unless you generate a new world.  The PERMITTED_JOB tag may well be a special case.  On the other hand, a lot of things have changed from 40d, so it should be tested.

[Shaostoul]

Creatures that are spawned after you make the change will be non-exotic.  But existing creatures will remain exotic.

Lies  . Where did you get this info? I am pretty sure that there's no "leftover" token. Like, if you mod a creature to have two heads, those spawned before the change won't be left with 1 head.

Well, I would like to point out when I was trying to make dwarfs so I would do work on aquifers and rivers and oceans, I genned a world where the dwarfs were more or less normal. I then added the whole fire immune thing and fixed temp and changed the homeotherm and when the next migrant wave came, the dwarfs were more or less fire dwarfs which boiled water I think 2 tiles away. I then removed the fire immune and homeotherm and fixed temp and the next wave was normal dwarfs. The fire dwarfs persisted even though all of that was changed. I had to keep them separate though... Kept melting my own dwarfs... and live stock... and any other item.