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[Broadsword]

Perhaps this is an anomaly but...

[Max White]

Looks like your fortress be bringing in da ladies!

[sonerohi]

I think it is because they are named, not because of gender.

[KillerClowns]

Gorlaks are benign, but they only show up in good lands.

[Shoku]

Underdark?

*shuffles off to make drow mod*

Are you trying to make the elves cool/evil?

I've been picturing the drow to basically just be elves that realized what elves were. Without a good framework for the world and realizing that you're not as special as you've been told they act just like humans in the same situation. Some fantasy throws in some quirks to go along with that but really they just have enough magic conductivity to reflect their way of thought physically.

Non-crap elves ultimately don't belong to either group and, gasp, actually strove to make something of themselves while still having good reasons to do so instead of just the desperation born of the possibility that they could be nobodies.

Really though it would liven things up a lot having people that travel around the caverns instead of just wild animals migrating about and the rare much wilder animal also just wandering around looking for things to bring ruin unto. Plus it would give me good reason to not just wall myself in on the cavern layers.

[Blackburn]

Underdark?

*shuffles off to make drow mod*

Are you trying to make the elves cool/evil?

I've been picturing the drow to basically just be elves that realized what elves were. Without a good framework for the world and realizing that you're not as special as you've been told they act just like humans in the same situation. Some fantasy throws in some quirks to go along with that but really they just have enough magic conductivity to reflect their way of thought physically.

Non-crap elves ultimately don't belong to either group and, gasp, actually strove to make something of themselves while still having good reasons to do so instead of just the desperation born of the possibility that they could be nobodies.

Really though it would liven things up a lot having people that travel around the caverns instead of just wild animals migrating about and the rare much wilder animal also just wandering around looking for things to bring ruin unto. Plus it would give me good reason to not just wall myself in on the cavern layers.

So, dig deep enough, find elves that don't suck...

More motivation to dig dig dig dig.

[Hondo]

I want to see Dwarven adventurers come into the underground and waste stuff and then have a big party in my main hall before they head off. Everyone would get like +100 happy points for having met someone so awesome.

[tastypaste]

If an underground civ member kills a Forgotten Beast, they become friendly. It's a bug feature. They will also slaughter their former civilization because their allegiance is switched. So by the time you arrive on the scene, the civilization will probably be dead either from FBs or from the FB killers who become friendlies.

[Hyperturtle]

I find the best diplomacy tactic is to stymie their leaders and pave the caverns with liquid obsidian.

[SethCreiyd]

I suspect the shape of the underground civs' entity entry is to blame for their hostility.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[ENTITY:SUBTERRANEAN_ANIMAL_PEOPLES]
   [LAYER_LINKED]
(...)
   *** ethics copied from kobolds for now <--- bingo
(...)
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:ACCEPTABLE]
(...)
   [ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:NOT_APPLICABLE]
   [ETHIC:LYING:NOT_APPLICABLE]
   [ETHIC:VANDALISM:NOT_APPLICABLE]
   [ETHIC:TRESPASSING:NOT_APPLICABLE]
   [ETHIC:THEFT:NOT_APPLICABLE]
   [ETHIC:ASSAULT:PERSONAL_MATTER]
(...)^^--Totally undwarfly attitudes

In adventure mode, goblins and kobolds are often friendly too, but that doesn't mean your dwarves will get along with them in fortress mode.  If it's not that, it may be that each [LAYER_LINKED] entity is automatically hostile to dwarves, making the ethics irrelevant to their stance.

_{*heads to laboratory in the name of SCIENCE*}

[Man In Zero G]

I thought the Plump Helmet Men were neutral?
I haven't found any so far so I wasn't sure.

[Boingboingsplat]

I thought the Plump Helmet Men were neutral?
I haven't found any so far so I wasn't sure.

They are in adventure mode.

Cave blobs are fairly neutral. Some wandered into my map and haven't moved an inch, so they obviously aren't trying to go and kill my dwarves.

[truckman1]

I want to see Dwarven adventurers come into the underground and waste stuff and then have a big party in my main hall before they head off. Everyone would get like +100 happy points for having met someone so awesome.

If the NPC adventurers are anything like real ones, everyone would get like +100 'strangled to death with their own thongs and having their heart pierced by their shards of rib broken by the impact of their children's heads' points for having met someone so psychotic.

[Shoku]

Plump Helmet men don't form camps and as far as I recall they show up as wild animals in fortress.

[Smitehappy]

Plump Helmet men don't form camps and as far as I recall they show up as wild animals in fortress.

That's because Plump Helmet men aren't actually considered "Beastmen".