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BubbaBrown

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Volume of a "square"
« on: May 01, 2010, 02:56:35 pm »

I've been trying to figure out what the dimensions of a "square" in DF is.  How does a square relate to real-world terms?

It can't be any less than: 2m x 2m x 2m
Otherwise, it would be too small for dwarves to move around in.

But it doesn't make sense for it to be greater than: 5m x 5m x 5m
Otherwise, a single hallway is huge and rooms and even bigger.

Anyone know or at least have a good theory?
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2010, 02:59:13 pm »

Large enough to hold a hundred dragons, so long as 99 of them are lying down.
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2010, 02:59:29 pm »

Hi!

I don't think you will find any consistent answer right now. After all, a wagon is three tiles wide, while a dragon just occupies a single tile.
Personally, I also put the tile's horizontal dimensions around 1.5 to 2.5 m square, but I tend to imagine its height to be much greater, like maybe 5m. But these are just my personal fantasies.

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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2010, 03:19:52 pm »

I've always thought of it as one cubic urist :)
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2010, 03:20:26 pm »

I've always thought of it as one cubic urist :)

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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2010, 03:50:55 pm »

A square expands and contracts as needed.  When a military dwarf is wrestling a dragon into submission its 20x20 meters.  When a builder dwarf carries a rock over and throws up a wall before the siege can get inside, its the size of a small door. 
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2010, 04:14:21 pm »

Squares? What squares? Clearly the game is based on rectangles!
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2010, 04:24:50 pm »

Once upon a time, someone asked Toady this. He said that the size of the square is indeterminable because he didn't want to define it. It would be impossible. The square is determined by your own standards. DF writes its own reality, thus ours does not apply to it. The square is anywhere from almost infinite in either direction to millimeters wide. Its all dependent on how you look at it.
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2010, 04:37:50 pm »

Once upon a time, someone asked Toady this. He said that the size of the square is indeterminable because he didn't want to define it. It would be impossible. The square is determined by your own standards. DF writes its own reality, thus ours does not apply to it. The square is anywhere from almost infinite in either direction to millimeters wide. Its all dependent on how you look at it.

Essentially, 1 + 1 =/= 2 because 2 is actually 1 merely while being viewed from different precepts.
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2010, 04:42:29 pm »

I've always thought of it as one cubic urist :)

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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #10 on: May 01, 2010, 04:44:27 pm »

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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #11 on: May 01, 2010, 06:43:37 pm »

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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #12 on: May 01, 2010, 06:53:28 pm »

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Seriously, thinking logically, it varies extremely. It's about 2 feet wide to allow a dwarf to pass, if you want to look at halls, but looking at demons at least several meters wide. Tall seems fairly simple though, considering how 6/7th of a tile is just above a humans head, it's fair to say that one tile tall is roughly the height of your ceiling, maybe a bit taller.
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #13 on: May 01, 2010, 06:59:30 pm »

I'd say it's not a cube - the height of each tile is greater than its width/depth.

Something like 1m x 1m x 3m? Although some one-tile objects wouldn't fit (beds, cows, dragons, etc.), it's big enough for barrels, individual tables, doors, dwarves, cabinets, humans, shrubs, statues, etc.
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Re: Volume of a "square"
« Reply #14 on: May 01, 2010, 07:35:25 pm »

Well, it's as tall as a bronze colossus and as long and wide as a dragon.

Or it's as short as a cat and as long and wide as a kobold.

Evidently each tile is actually a TARDIS.
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