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[NUKE9.13]

1.Repair things
2.Replace Losses
3.If possible, start investing biomass into the root network I upgrade
These 3 have been pretty much agreed upon by everyone.

Alright, design Us a ProtoGeneral:

Take the BugLizard bodyplan.
Replace the 8 eyes with Scarab eyes.
Replace the scales with chitin-scale alloy
Brain organism stuff
and poisonous acid spray

You cannot argue for stationary Generals anymore; the GM just said rebellion is impossible (unless We do something stupid like make them smarter than Us)
Stationary things should include: places where units are grown, places where biomass is processed, and centres of Our control (that is, communication creatures).

Once We have Our ProtoGeneral design, We should grow one and an entourage of 20 ProtoSoldiers, then have him scout the area for 1)Some sort of fast-growing fungus 2)Insects of all kinds (for the body plans)

[Ukrainian Ranger]

We can design both kinds of generals. Stationary for defense, mobile for offense.

Triffid generals have many advantages:

1) they will help us to keep hunting snorks, we can't do it ourself, now.
2) Their vines may be more effective weapon than hundreds of bugs
3) They look more natural than protogenerals. Disguise is still important

[Shades]

Repair leaves (7.5)
Repair defence vines (10 -> 17.5)

Brain Growth II (50 -> 67.5)

ProtoSoldier x 25 (0.1 * 25 = 2.5 -> 70)

That is what I think we should do, we need to do the repairs, the brain will hopefully remove the problem with control for now (which I think is more important than a root network) and the extra soldiers are just to use up the remaining biomass and provide a little protection. I know we had more soldiers before but I'm assuming the pack was injured enough they won't attack again in a hurry.

Hopefully this will give us a decent income of biomass and we can start doing things like getting our brain underground and building bigger minions.

Edit: If people think the soldiers are useless I'm happy to spend it on either workers or just to store it for later.

[RogueArchivist]

Quote from: NUKE9.13 on May 03, 2010, 02:57:50 pm

    1)Do the repairs. (17.5kg)
    2)Furthermore, yes, looks like We could do with at least a little defence: Chitinous Protection Carapace I (10kg)
    3)Rebuild your Scarabs! (buy 48 ProtoWorkers and 30 ProtoWariors) (5.4kg)
    4)Develop some new bodyplans:
    Combine BugLizard poison and storage roots: Poison sacks.
    Create ProtoHarvester: workers with BugLizard [can feast on corpses]. They will take 'wasted' biomass and turn it into poison, which can be used to defend Us.
    5)If We can pay for upgrades in 'installments', start work on the root network (because it is a prerequisite for so many useful upgrades)


this plus
Quote from: Kashyyk on May 03, 2010, 03:20:52 pm

    I have another suggestion:

    Create ProtoDefender
    -Use Snork Body size, plus BugLizard bodyshape to create structure.
    -Add BugLizard Scales and Toxin ability. Convert the toxin to be sprayed alá ProtoSoldier style.
    -If possible, bulk up all the muscles of the ProtoDefender

    This should create a creature 1m long and 50cm high, has six legs, eight eyes, and has scales and a toxin spitting capability.

    This is bigger than the BugLizards, and has an added ranged attack. It can also potentially be stronger. Perfect Army material.

I sort of like this idea.

[evilcherry]

I'm for stationary generals. More specifically, Hive Mind clones.

(That should count as a second to Ukrainian Ranger)

a distributed intelligence would make this collective consciousness practically impossible to wipe out, unless Darth Vader points death star at us.

[GlyphGryph]

I agree with the cloned triffid piece, but later.

(Also, if me make a minion smarter than us, he wouldn't rebel - our center of consciousness would merely shift to a different loci, namely him.)

Repair, make a protogeneral and two protodefeners. Mobility and combat ability, to protect us and our workers as we expand.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

We can't upgrade our brain ( and will not for long time)... and without generals we can't control strong force.

My alternative proposal

1. Repair everything
2. Replace Losses
3. Create root network
4. Design Brain triffids
5. Grow 2 brain triffids from our roots
6. Design protogeneral using NUKE9.13's plan
7. Create 2 protogenerals and 100 protosoldiers
8. Order generals and soldiers to attack triffids in the area ( to save snorks for us)

We have a lot of biomass and should be able to do it all in one turn

[Shades]

We can't upgrade our brain ( and will not for long time).

Where was this said? I clearly missed that post.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

We don't meet prerequisites ( they listed in red)

[omagaalpha]

 new Body parts plans

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Poison sacks = Combine BugLizard poison and storage roots

Dna Blueprint created

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I have another suggestion:

Create ProtoDefender
-Use Snork Body size, plus BugLizard bodyshape to create structure.
-Add BugLizard Scales and Toxin ability. Convert the toxin to be sprayed alá ProtoSoldier style.
-If possible, bulk up all the muscles of the ProtoDefender

This should create a creature 1m long and 50cm high, has six legs, eight eyes, and has scales and a toxin spitting capability.

This is bigger than the BugLizards, and has an added ranged attack. It can also potentially be stronger. Perfect Army material.

Alright, design us a ProtoGeneral:

Take the BugLizard bodyplan.
Replace the 8 eyes with Scarab eyes.
Replace the scales with chitin-scale alloy
Brain organism stuff
and poisonous acid spray

ProtoHarvester: workers with BugLizard [can feast on corpses]. They will take 'wasted' biomass and turn it into poison, which can be used to defend Us.

Brain triffids
Design and create triffids with brain (Triffid DNA + Hive mind DNA) . They should grow from our root network, provide us with nutrients, make the first line of defense and help to control our minions. These triffids should look like normal triffids

Actions and Upgrades

• Do the repairs. (17.5kg)(leaves and defence vine
• Rebuild your Scarabs! (buy 48 ProtoWorkers and 30 ProtoWariors) (5.4kg)
• Take Upgrade Chitinous Protection Carapace I (10kg)
• Produce 1 protogeneral and 2 protodefeners
• Upgrade root network(if can take upgrades in installement then)

All this what think we should do.

[maxicaxi]

 new Body parts plans

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Poison sacks = Combine BugLizard poison and storage roots

Dna Blueprint created

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I have another suggestion:

Create ProtoDefender
-Use Snork Body size, plus BugLizard bodyshape to create structure.
-Add BugLizard Scales and Toxin ability. Convert the toxin to be sprayed alá ProtoSoldier style.
-If possible, bulk up all the muscles of the ProtoDefender

This should create a creature 1m long and 50cm high, has six legs, eight eyes, and has scales and a toxin spitting capability.

This is bigger than the BugLizards, and has an added ranged attack. It can also potentially be stronger. Perfect Army material.

Alright, design us a ProtoGeneral:

Take the BugLizard bodyplan.
Replace the 8 eyes with Scarab eyes.
Replace the scales with chitin-scale alloy
Brain organism stuff
and poisonous acid spray

ProtoHarvester: workers with BugLizard [can feast on corpses]. They will take 'wasted' biomass and turn it into poison, which can be used to defend Us.

Brain triffids
Design and create triffids with brain (Triffid DNA + Hive mind DNA) . They should grow from our root network, provide us with nutrients, make the first line of defense and help to control our minions. These triffids should look like normal triffids

Actions and Upgrades

• Do the repairs. (17.5kg)(leaves and defence vine
• Rebuild your Scarabs! (buy 48 ProtoWorkers and 30 ProtoWariors) (5.4kg)
• Take Upgrade Chitinous Protection Carapace I (10kg)
• Produce 1 protogeneral and 2 protodefeners
• Upgrade root network(if can take upgrades in installement then)

All this what think we should do.

this

[evilcherry]

 new Body parts plans

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Poison sacks = Combine BugLizard poison and storage roots

Dna Blueprint created

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I have another suggestion:

Create ProtoDefender
-Use Snork Body size, plus BugLizard bodyshape to create structure.
-Add BugLizard Scales and Toxin ability. Convert the toxin to be sprayed alá ProtoSoldier style.
-If possible, bulk up all the muscles of the ProtoDefender

This should create a creature 1m long and 50cm high, has six legs, eight eyes, and has scales and a toxin spitting capability.

This is bigger than the BugLizards, and has an added ranged attack. It can also potentially be stronger. Perfect Army material.

Alright, design us a ProtoGeneral:

Take the BugLizard bodyplan.
Replace the 8 eyes with Scarab eyes.
Replace the scales with chitin-scale alloy
Brain organism stuff
and poisonous acid spray

ProtoHarvester: workers with BugLizard [can feast on corpses]. They will take 'wasted' biomass and turn it into poison, which can be used to defend Us.

Brain triffids
Design and create triffids with brain (Triffid DNA + Hive mind DNA) . They should grow from our root network, provide us with nutrients, make the first line of defense and help to control our minions. These triffids should look like normal triffids

Actions and Upgrades

• Do the repairs. (17.5kg)(leaves and defence vine
• Rebuild your Scarabs! (buy 48 ProtoWorkers and 30 ProtoWariors) (5.4kg)
• Take Upgrade Chitinous Protection Carapace I (10kg)
• Produce 1 protogeneral and 2 protodefeners
• Upgrade root network(if can take upgrades in installement then)

All this what think we should do.

this

Seconded for now.

[Ukrainian Ranger]

IMO protodefenders is a bad idea.... Very bad idea. They are too big and will require tons of resources for support. 

And I seriously doubt that one small general is enough to command all our bugs and two big creatures


Edit

+ I dislike CPA. Either we build an army or passive defense, not both

[Kashyyk]

 new Body parts plans

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Poison sacks = Combine BugLizard poison and storage roots

Dna Blueprint created

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I have another suggestion:

Create ProtoDefender
-Use Snork Body size, plus BugLizard bodyshape to create structure.
-Add BugLizard Scales and Toxin ability. Convert the toxin to be sprayed alá ProtoSoldier style.
-If possible, bulk up all the muscles of the ProtoDefender

This should create a creature 1m long and 50cm high, has six legs, eight eyes, and has scales and a toxin spitting capability.

This is bigger than the BugLizards, and has an added ranged attack. It can also potentially be stronger. Perfect Army material.

Alright, design us a ProtoGeneral:

Take the BugLizard bodyplan.
Replace the 8 eyes with Scarab eyes.
Replace the scales with chitin-scale alloy
Brain organism stuff
and poisonous acid spray

ProtoHarvester: workers with BugLizard [can feast on corpses]. They will take 'wasted' biomass and turn it into poison, which can be used to defend Us.

Brain triffids
Design and create triffids with brain (Triffid DNA + Hive mind DNA) . They should grow from our root network, provide us with nutrients, make the first line of defense and help to control our minions. These triffids should look like normal triffids

Actions and Upgrades

• Do the repairs. (17.5kg)(leaves and defence vine
• Rebuild your Scarabs! (buy 48 ProtoWorkers and 30 ProtoWariors) (5.4kg)
• Take Upgrade Chitinous Protection Carapace I (10kg)
• Produce 1 protogeneral and 2 protodefeners
• Upgrade root network(if can take upgrades in installement then)

All this what think we should do.

this

Seconded for now.

thirded.


Also, I don't understand the problem about having 'big' creatures. We're big. 3m high to be exact. That's larger than regular triffids and we are insanely modified. We are a sore thumb as it is, we might as well have some big things to protect us.

[Ottofar]

And if we add photosynthesis to the camo leaves, the protogeneral could support itself?