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[Tarran]

IT WAS A MISTAKE. I KNOW IT SHOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENED. STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Please.



I would really like it if someone Could sum up turns for me. I just really need help on that the most. I just seem to have the most problems with that.

[Archangel]

Canalan, do you want a Mutual Defence Pact?

Sure, why not.

Great!

[Askot Bokbondeler]

perhaps create another thread where we'd post our ingame actions in clean, standartized posts, and we'd keep this one for the discussion, diplomacy, etc.

[Tarran]

Here's the current summary:
TRAIN:

Wimdit: West green. light longsword, 1 season.
Paranatural: Center red. Longswords, DONE.
Archangel: East very dark blue. Cavalry. DONE.
Canalan: East green. Spearman. DONE.
Neyvn: Center Pink. Light Calvery. Trade pact -1 season. DONE.
Neyvn: Center Dark gray. Light Calvery. Trade pact -1 season. DONE.
Emperor Jonathan: Center dark blue. Trade pact -1 season. 1 season.
Askot Bokbondeler: Center orange. Light Cavalry. 1 season.

MOVE:

Wimdit. Attack West green. ALL units. (No probe)
Paranatural. One Light Longsword. One Longsword. One Spear. To Center Glacier.
Askot Bokbondeler. Attack Center purple with Two Light Longswords. One Longsword. One Spear. And one Archer from Center brown.
Askot Bokbondeler. Move Light Spear from Center orange to Center brown.

DONE:

Wimdit.
Askot Bokbondeler.

Is anything wrong? Please tell me if your turn is done if you still have moves left.

[Tarran]

I'm going to abandon this, I just can't deal with stuff like this. I should have started with something less extensive. I'm sorry, but I just don't want to do this anymore. I'm not having fun, I dislike doing anything that has to do with this, and I just plain dislike this.

If anyone wants to start a similar one or continue on with this, then go ahead. Here is everything that you need to start your own:

Spoiler: Images (click to show/hide)

Blank map.



West.Valid: Red, pink, brown, green, dark green, blue, dark blue, purple, yellow, cyan.



Center.Valid: Red, green, dark cyan, cyan, orange, brown, purple, dark gray, light gray, pink, dark red, light purple, blue, dark blue, light green, light blue.



East.Valid: Red, pink, yellow, green, cyan, dark blue, dark cyan, blue, purple, light purple, very dark cyan, dark red, orange, dark green, light blue, dark yellow, brown, very dark blue, light green.

Spoiler: My crappy rules (click to show/hide)

If you invade, you use the color maps again. or a direction if it's not all that confusing. Or the name of your opponent's territory if they only have one territory and it shares the border of the country that your troops are in.

You can conquer neutral countries too, they are randomly generated with units as soon as you attack/probe them, the way they are generated is;
roll one: Roll to how many, lower means less.
roll two (two dice): The counters, lower it is the more of your units counter theirs, the higher it is the more of their units counter yours.

Mountains, lakes and Oceans are impassible, otherwise we would be having an all-out brawl. Glaciers are passable, so don't be afraid to take a empire to the west.

Rivers are only passable by shallows, which are shown in a slightly brighter color. So for example; center dark cyan cannot get to east pink without going though east red.

Unit costs is counted in seasons (turns).

Units randomly pick a opponent based on a 6 sided die. 1=fail to target, 2 or 3= bad choice, 4 or 5= good choice, 6= same unit (if applicable) or good choice.

I roll a 6 sided die on fighting, bonuses/penalties on rolls are as follows;
extremely weak; -2
weak; -1
effective; +1
extremely effective; +2

Unit morale controls how long they can keep on fighting without retreating when your side is fighting poorly.

Each unit can only do one thing per turn.

Each territory you have can build a unit, but they have to have been in your country for at least one turn. (Cannot build from them the turn you conquer them)

You can make custom pacts, or use these: War, Preemptive Strike (partial war) Neutral, Non-Aggression Pact, Mutual Defense pact (sort of like an alliance, but only when you pact ally is attacked first, not when your pact ally attacks first.), Alliance.
Custom pacts are kept in memory (except hidden pacts), you can secretly make pacts by PMing me and the other player. Hidden custom/default pacts are revealed when something triggers them (such as a Mutual Defense pact when your pact ally is attacked).

You can also trade units and territories (but not your capital), to other players.

Spoiler: Units (click to show/hide)

NOTE: 'Season's are turns.

NOTE: Morale has been removed, there's already too much to keep track of, so your army will retreat when the battle looks hopeless.

NOTE: Military Town Watches have been removed due to being useless now that morale has been removed.

You can upgrade units, but only to their more advanced type, the time it takes them is the recruit season difference+1 between the two units. An example; a Light Spear can be upgraded to a Heavy Spear, but it takes three seasons. Yet a Medium Spear takes two seasons.

Militia: Global bonuses; none.

Angry mob (Neutral only): for when a unit sucks so much it can't be a Town Watch. These guys get -1 to all rolls.
Town Watch, 1 season: Extremely weak infantry, the only good thing about them is that they can be raised in one season.

Spear: Global bonuses; always rolls first when in melee.

Light spear, 2 seasons: Weak against any other spears, effective against cavalry.
Spear, 3 seasons: Weak against any other spears, effective against cavalry and other infantry.
Heavy Spear, 4 seasons: Extremely effective against cavalry, effective against other infantry (except other spears).

Longsword: Global bonuses; (+1 to fighting after the first turn of fighting.)

Light Longsword, 2 seasons: Basic unit.
Longsword, 3 seasons: effective against any light units.
Heavy Longsword, 4 seasons: effective against any light or medium units.

Cavalry: Global bonuses; (+1 to escaping)

Light Cavalry, 2 season: Extremely weak against any spear based melee infantry. +2 to charging.
Cavalry, 3 seasons: Extremely weak against any spear based melee infantry, effective against anything else but other cavalry. +1 to charging.
Heavy Cavalry, 5 seasons: Weak against any spear based melee infantry, effective against anything else.
Chariot, 4 seasons: Ranged (no counterattack) attack against units, extremely weak against any Cavalry.

Archer:

Archer, 2 seasons: Ranged (no counterattack) attack against units. Extremely weak against anything in melee.
Heavy Archer, 4 seasons: Effective ranged (no counterattack) attack against units. Weak against anything in melee.

W=War, P=Preemptive Strike, N=Neutral, G=Non-Aggression Pact, M=Mutual Defense pact, A=Alliance.

Diplomacy tables.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Hostility state:
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Custom pacts:

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I'm sorry, I just had my limit. It's just not fun for me anymore. I might continue this someday, but it won't be soon.

[Ultimuh]

Aww.. 


Oh well.. Was fun, the little time it lasted.

[Wimdit]

Knew this would happen. Don't feel bad, it happens to almost everyone who runs games like this.

[Cheddarius]

I will simplify this. I will make this workable.
MINE SHALL BE THE CAW THAT WILL PIERCE THE FORUMS!

Not going to actually run it, mind you, just make it better to run - too busy with my entirely excellent Monster Defence that I inherited from Luke_Prowler. Some very exciting plot developments, I'm really looking forward to GM-ing this round and seeing what players do!

Erm, back on track. I will simplify this.
Someone remind me if I haven't posted here by, say, 20 hours after this post.

[Tarran]

I will simplify this. I will make this workable.
MINE SHALL BE THE CAW THAT WILL PIERCE THE FORUMS!

Not going to actually run it, mind you, just make it better to run - too busy with my entirely excellent Monster Defence that I inherited from Luke_Prowler. Some very exciting plot developments, I'm really looking forward to GM-ing this round and seeing what players do!

Erm, back on track. I will simplify this.
Someone remind me if I haven't posted here by, say, 20 hours after this post.

I look forward to this.

[Cheddarius]

This is the new map. Countries have flags with 2 colors.

Country flags generally go red>purple from left to right for the first color, and red>purple from up to down for the second.
Countries are referred to by their two colors. For example, "Send 3 battalions of Longbowmen from Orangepurplium to siege Greater Redblueitus". It doesn't matter what you call them, just as long as the colors are clear.

[Ultimuh]

Why just not name them?
And let the actual player nations only show color?

[Tarran]

Quite nice might want to make the colors more distinctive. Also, mountains as territories? I think they should be impassible as that adds choke points. And that's only the map. Wait until you get into combat, it's really hard to trim that without damaging the experience.

[Cheddarius]

Coloring them was simpler; there wasn't really enough room for names, and this way I think they're easier to look at the names for. I could have expanded the map and written in names, but I think this way is a bit simpler.

We have chokepoints from rivers/bridges/land bridges; I wanted to make all land the same, to simplify it.

I think I may have a simpler, if not as nuanced, combat system.

[Cheddarius]

Tarran, I'd like to stick to your envisioning of the game as much as possible while simplifying it. Do you want unit generation to be based on how much land you have (moar land = moar troops), or to be static (one country can beat an empire with skill; unrealistic, but keeps the game fun if one person starts dominating)

[Tarran]

Landmass should not effect the generation, as that gives a severe disadvantage to some players. Generation should always be completely random. As you know how fun the dice can be.

I look forward to the combat system.