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[Lord_Daeloth]

quote:
Additionally, the theory is that VAC2 checks (somehow) for specific cheat programs running.

I would imagine they use some sort of hash-code "dictionary" of known cheat programs...  Which makes me wonder if he's certain that no other memory editing software was used.

[BeardlessDwarf]

quote:Originally posted by Lord_Daeloth:
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I would imagine they use some sort of hash-code "dictionary" of known cheat programs...  Which makes me wonder if he's certain that no other memory editing software was used.</STRONG>

VAC2 does use Hash codes.

[Lord_Daeloth]

quote:Originally posted by BeardlessDwarf:
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VAC2 does use Hash codes.</STRONG>

Well, there we go.  Send links to the tools that you may have been using, and they should be able to compare the hash codes of those tools to the one that flagged you for banning.  I highly doubt that all VAC2 bans are permanent.  Also, I again have to wonder, if hash-codes are use, its very unlikely that it gave a false positive on a DF utility, and leads me to believe something else was running, possibly without you knowing.  I've heard of a "wall-hack" tool for Counter-strike that lets you pass through walls but only in observer mode, that lead to some bannings. You wouldn't happen to have been using that tool would you?

Edit:  Actually, there's something on the WIKI about it(X-Spectate)--VAC  Apparently they removed those bans and now it only kicks you from a server if you are running it, so nevermind.

[ December 14, 2007: Message edited by: Lord_Daeloth ]

[Wiles]

I don't like EULA. If anything agreeing to something like that should be before you buy it.

It's silly how it is now. You buy it, bring it home.. "Oh by the way...."

As for STEAM, I won't play another valve game until they get rid of it.

[DJ]

Call them on the phone, as it's much harder to brush off someone who's calling than someone who's just writing a mail. Explain the situation and politely ask to be unbanned. If they refuse, threaten them with bad publicity. If they still refuse, write to every damn gaming magazine and website in the world. You may not get your games back, but you'll get one hell of a revenge. They'll certainly lose more revenue than 200$.

[briktal]

quote:Originally posted by DJ:
<STRONG>Call them on the phone, as it's much harder to brush off someone who's calling than someone who's just writing a mail. Explain the situation and politely ask to be unbanned. If they refuse, threaten them with bad publicity. If they still refuse, write to every damn gaming magazine and website in the world. You may not get your games back, but you'll get one hell of a revenge. They'll certainly lose more revenue than 200$.</STRONG>

Yes, blackmail is the answer.

[Nesoo]

quote:Originally posted by Wiles:
<STRONG>I don't like EULA. If anything agreeing to something like that should be before you buy it.

It's silly how it is now. You buy it, bring it home.. "Oh by the way...."</STRONG>

Especially since most (all?) stores won't let you return opened software... and where do you usually see the EULA? During install, of course.

(In general, not specific to Steam.)

[Aargh]

Note that the EULA isn't really worth much as a legal document. It's more of a "just so you know, this is what we want" kinda thing than a contract that you sign when you click 'agree'.

[ December 14, 2007: Message edited by: Aargh ]

[Core Xii]

quote:Originally posted by Wiles:
<STRONG>It's silly how it is now. You buy it, bring it home.. "Oh by the way...."</STRONG>

It does say on the back of the retail box that... well, why don't I just quote from the back of my Orange Box... Oh wait, it's in Finnish. Well it reads somewhere along the lines of "NOTE: This product is sold by the condition that you agree to the Steam Subscriber Agreement (SSA). You must activate this product on the Internet by registering it to a Steam account and agreeing to the SSA. You can read the SSA before buying this product at www.steampowered.com/agreement.  If you do not agree to the conditions of the SSA, you should return this game to the retailer unopened as their return policy allows."

[Torak]

"Look at us, we're Steam, join us or don't even bother trying to play all those games you'd really like to tryout online."

[DDouble]

Yall keep ignoring the fundamental issue: are we even sure that a DF program caused it?

It sounds like the original poster can't say for sure that a DF utility was the problem. All those DF utilities open and close immediately, I don't know how you could have had one running that you forgot about.

Until we answer this everything else is moot.

[Trukkle]

Dwarf foreman does not open and close immediately, and is a memory editor. There were a couple for the 2D version like that, too.

Please, do some cursory research into the available utilities before dismissing all possibilities as impossible.

I'll certainly make sure I close everything before even running Steam, now. I don't want to lose Gmod and Portal.

[Zurai]

quote:Originally posted by Trukkle:
<STRONG>Please, do some cursory research into the available utilities before dismissing all possibilities as impossible.</STRONG>

Please, do some cursory reading into what the poster you're responding to said before dismissing his statement as impossible.

In other words, he never said it was impossible. He asked whether the OP was sure it was a DF utility and brought up a point about the majority of memory-accessing utilities being self-exiting.

[DDouble]

quote:Originally posted by Trukkle:
<STRONG>Dwarf foreman does not open and close immediately, and is a memory editor. </STRONG>

I didn't realize this. So does the original thread-starter know for sure that he had Dwarf Foreman open while he was trying to play on Steam?

Steam is always on on my computer, it pops up automatically. But, I've used DF utilities without a problem, so do I have to be playing a game over steam while Dwarf Foreman remains open for trouble?

[WillNZ]

Stardock beats Steam hands down. I buy from Stardock specifically because it doesn't have any overbearing protectionist software. Really commendable stuff.