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So, who thinks the Holy Roman Empire was Holy?

Holy
- 9 (20.9%)
Not so much (remember, Saxons=oppresion!)
- 34 (79.1%)

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Char13magne

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The Holy Roman Empire
« on: April 30, 2010, 07:34:19 pm »
So, hi guys, I just wanted to see where this went if I started this topic, and seeing as how it relates to my avatar, I find it to be a legitimate topic of conversation.
So, the Holy Roman Empire, it was neither Holy, Nor Roman, Nor really an Empire. Discuss.
               
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2010, 07:49:09 pm »
Quote from: Char13magne on April 30, 2010, 07:34:19 pm
So, hi guys, I just wanted to see where this went if I started this topic, and seeing as how it relates to my avatar, I find it to be a legitimate topic of conversation.
So, the Holy Roman Empire, it was neither Holy, Nor Roman, Nor really an Empire. Discuss.
               
               Cheers!

And the National Socialist German Workers' Party was not socialist nor supportive of the German working classes.

Also, it depends how holy Charlemagne counts as being.

But, yeah, Germans aren't very good at naming things. Sort of like dwarves. "Toastracks the Inevitability of Booze, a tower cap toy sword".
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2010, 07:51:47 pm »
That rather depends on the time period, doesn't it?  When we're talking about an empire that lasted more than a millenium, it's hard to say anything general about it.  The practically nonexistent empire of the 18th century that Voltaire was talking about is one thing.  The Carolingian, Ottonian, or Staufen empires were all quite different.  Definitely empires, varyingly holy (constant excommunications aside), and maybe Roman from time to time.  Charlemagne being crowned by the Pope in Rome gives him a bit of a claim to the title.  He may have even been too holy - just ask the Saxons he converted by force how that went.
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #3 on: April 30, 2010, 08:02:46 pm »
Quote from: Judas Maccabeus on April 30, 2010, 07:51:47 pm
That rather depends on the time period, doesn't it?  When we're talking about an empire that lasted more than a millenium, it's hard to say anything general about it.  The practically nonexistent empire of the 18th century that Voltaire was talking about is one thing.  The Carolingian, Ottonian, or Staufen empires were all quite different.  Definitely empires, varyingly holy (constant excommunications aside), and maybe Roman from time to time.  Charlemagne being crowned by the Pope in Rome gives him a bit of a claim to the title.  He may have even been too holy - just ask the Saxons he converted by force how that went.

I fully agree, in that while Charlemagne was, by Christian standards, a great converter of peoples, his methods, especially towards the Saxons were anything but holy, or sanctified. (*Mass executions*, -*cough*-*cough*-)  :D
Great discussion, keep it up!

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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #4 on: April 30, 2010, 08:05:55 pm »

But, yeah, Germans aren't very good at naming things. Sort of like dwarves. "Toastracks the Inevitability of Booze, a tower cap toy sword".
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Yeah, and they really can't make up new words either. They tend to like to stick old words together, generally ones that don't make a lot of sense.

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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2010, 08:08:55 pm »
Holy Roman Empire, Batman!
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2010, 08:14:49 pm »
I'm sorry, I don't get the reference. Excuse me if it's something I should know, and that is sincere, not sarcastic.  :-[

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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2010, 08:32:33 pm »
Didn't Charlemagne speak German only to his horse?

The Holy Roman Empire was really weird.
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2010, 08:34:53 pm »
You are misquoting Emperor Charles V, not Charlemagne
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2010, 08:36:13 pm »
Its got Holy in the name! It must be true!
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2010, 08:36:25 pm »
Really?

Ah well. I'd like to have a horse to speak German to.
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2010, 08:37:26 pm »
Quote from: Jackrabbit on April 30, 2010, 08:32:33 pm
Didn't Charlemagne speak German only to his horse?

The Holy Roman Empire was really weird.

The way I have always heard it was,
"I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men, and German to my horse."
All of which make sense, if you think about it (Spanish being a prevolent romantic language popular in the priesthood, Italian being a courting language, French being a diplomatic language, and German being rough and casual). Still wierd, though.

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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2010, 08:38:20 pm »
Quote from: ChairmanPoo on April 30, 2010, 08:34:53 pm
You are misquoting Emperor Charles V, not Charlemagne

I'm sorry, who is misquoting him?

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"To have another language is to possess a second soul."              
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2010, 08:39:13 pm »
Me.

"I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men and German to my horse" - was Emperor Charles V, apparently.
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Re: The Holy Roman Empire
« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2010, 08:40:29 pm »
Quote from: Jackrabbit on April 30, 2010, 08:39:13 pm
Me.

"I speak Spanish to God, Italian to women, French to men and German to my horse" - was Emperor Charles V, apparently.

Oh, goodness, you're right!  :-[
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