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[DarthCloakedDwarf]

There have been multiple visualizers created for DF .40d, the hard part has already been done, how come no one has thus far been willing to update any of them?

It's driving me nuts, especially considering my first megaconstruction to date was made in 2010.

[Retro]

It's driving me nuts, especially considering the first megaconstruction to date was made in 2010.

...Uh? Not sure where you've gotten that from. I don't believe anyone's finished a construction-based megaproject in 0.31 yet. But Stonesense (see the modding subforum) is very close to getting a version compatible with 0.31 out, and Visual Fortress (see this subforum) has been abandoned by the creator but is open source for anyone who wants to update it.

[DarthCloakedDwarf]

...Uh? Not sure where you've gotten that from. I don't believe anyone's finished a construction-based megaproject in 0.31 yet. But Stonesense (see the modding subforum) is very close to getting a version compatible with 0.31 out, and Visual Fortress (see this subforum) has been abandoned by the creator but is open source for anyone who wants to update it.

Sorry, I meant MY first megaconstruction... hurr...

And Stonesense is isometric. I cannot stand isometric.

[rdwulfe]

Others may not favor it, but I'm quite eager to see Stonesense finished. I quite like the eight-bit look of it.

[Retro]

Well if you'd prefer not to use Stonesense, then I'm going to have to point out that making a visualizer isn't really a matter of 'voting,' nor is it as easy to update a visualizer as slapping on a '>compatible_v0.31' line or something in the code (though similar workarounds have been used for utilities like Reveal, I believe). The game's been hugely updated in terms of programming, though things may appear the same, thus visualizers need to have their code substantially updated as well.

Again, Visual Fortress' working 40d version is open-source. If you'd like to work on it yourself or organize a team of people who would (there was some interest in doing so in the relevant thread), by all means - many people including myself would appreciate a 0.31 version of VF! But simply saying "Hey guys, why haven't you made me a visualizer yet?" is not really an effective course of action.

[DarthCloakedDwarf]

...oh.

I mean, various tools like Reveal have been done, so it seems like it should be easy to just update the existing visualizers.

If I had the foggiest idea how to make anything for DF, I'd have done this myself by now.

[Greiger]

Though I have nothing to do with the projects themselves reveal just needs to find one variable or flag or whatnot and then change it to a 0 (or a 1 whatever the number is to make it non hidden)

The visualizers need to be able to identify water, magma. ground, open space, walls, floors, ramps and stairs at the bare minimum.  For it to actually look good it needs to know what the stuff is made of, whether it has grass, whether there is snow on it, how deep the water or magma is, is the wall a fortification, if there is a tree in the tile, if there is a building in a tile, what that building is, what that building is made of and countless other little tiny details.  Finding all that stuff for a visualizer takes alot longer than it takes to find a single variable.

[DarthCloakedDwarf]

I see. So, since this post hasn't been helpful, who should I talk to to get this done?

I'd happily volunteer my 3d knowledge and ability, what little there is, to the task.

[rdwulfe]

The mods forum is a good place to start, as a lot of tools are discussed there, it seems. Perhaps even moving this post there, though I'm unsure how to do that myself. Likely it's under the 'additional options' for the OP.

I'm quite sure people are working on converting the tools, though they may not be screaming that they're doing it as they do not want people nagging them to get it done. We all love our DF tools, but new changes take time to adapt to, and from what I can tell, 0.31 was a MAJOR overhaul when it comes to how things are organized in memory. Dwarf Therapist still hasn't quite recovered, and had to drop its military support entirely.

It's going to take time for these tools to catch up.

[DarthCloakedDwarf]

The mods forum is a good place to start, as a lot of tools are discussed there, it seems. Perhaps even moving this post there, though I'm unsure how to do that myself. Likely it's under the 'additional options' for the OP.

Done.