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[Boingboingsplat]

dude dwarf fortress is already in 4d. A DF building has four dimensions.

Length
Width
Depth
Duration

Yes but a true 4D experience would let you see the entire duration of objects at once! Not just one frame of it at a time.

[se5a]

FYI, he did update the dev log yesterday:

by Toady One from the Development Log:
04/27/2010: I've contorted the 0.31 code to look more or less like the 40d# code, but I still need to rewrite the screens, which'll take a while (and be a source of all the merge bugs). Everything's working at a basic level though, so it looks like it'll at least go through, even if it takes a bit more time to clean it up. The rest of the game needs cleaning up anyway, so it'll fit right in. After I get the merge out, I imagine the priorities will be military/equipment bugs and merge bugs, unless something worse has crept onto the bug tracker in this time.

Why can't I see this? it's not on the page that that link goes too....

[LegoLord]

If you google "dwarf fortress," the first result should lead to the main page where DF is downloaded.  That's where the new dev entries are.

[Kazindir]

FYI, he did update the dev log yesterday:

by Toady One from the Development Log:
04/27/2010: I've contorted the 0.31 code to look more or less like the 40d# code, but I still need to rewrite the screens, which'll take a while (and be a source of all the merge bugs). Everything's working at a basic level though, so it looks like it'll at least go through, even if it takes a bit more time to clean it up. The rest of the game needs cleaning up anyway, so it'll fit right in. After I get the merge out, I imagine the priorities will be military/equipment bugs and merge bugs, unless something worse has crept onto the bug tracker in this time.

Why can't I see this? it's not on the page that that link goes too....

It is for me. You are clicking on the "development log" link right?

It's just this:
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/#2010-04-27

[se5a]

yup, that's what I'm clicking. the last entry that I can see is:

04/12/2010: Released Dwarf Fortress 0.31.03

must be getting cashed somewhere.

[lucusLoC]

that is what the refresh button is for? or perhaps you mean cached by a retarded firewall/isp?

[Char13magne]

Just a quick question, does anyone know if Toady is planning to add a "morale" feature into the military?

[Lemunde]

dude dwarf fortress is already in 4d. A DF building has four dimensions.

Length
Width
Depth
Duration

That's not necessarily true.  While time is often treated like a dimension and works in mathematics like a dimension, it is not a dimension, or at least not the same class of dimension as the spacial dimensions.  I suppose that you could think of time as a separate, special dimension.  But my point is it is not the 4th dimension.  The 4th dimension is actually a spatial dimension that scientists believe the universe is expanding into(along a 4 dimensional axis).

I think Carl Sagan can explain it better than I can.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UflPU6e0WYw

[pbheadtemp]

I think Toady needs one of those online continual backup thingies... considering the risk of what would happen if say, a glass of water landed on his computer instead of his phone... 

[Leperous]

The 4th dimension is actually a spatial dimension that scientists believe the universe is expanding into(along a 4 dimensional axis).

Er, no, not quite.

First of all, it's a common fallacy to think the Universe is expanding "into" anything. You have to understand what a metric is, and a heap of differential geometry, to properly understand this concept.

There is no "physically realized" 4th dimension, as it were: the treatment of time as a "4th dimension" is a critical part of getting the theory of General Relativity to work and explain the evolution of the Universe ("cosmology").

You'll often hear about string theorists requiring extra dimensions (usually 9 or more) but until someone comes up with some testable predictions, I suggest you think of it as "string theology" instead :p

[Lemunde]

The 4th dimension is actually a spatial dimension that scientists believe the universe is expanding into(along a 4 dimensional axis).

Er, no, not quite.

First of all, it's a common fallacy to think the Universe is expanding "into" anything. You have to understand what a metric is, and a heap of differential geometry, to properly understand this concept.

There is no "physically realized" 4th dimension, as it were: the treatment of time as a "4th dimension" is a critical part of getting the theory of General Relativity to work and explain the evolution of the Universe ("cosmology").

You'll often hear about string theorists requiring extra dimensions (usually 9 or more) but until someone comes up with some testable predictions, I suggest you think of it as "string theology" instead :p

This is probably arguing semantics but I think the theory of relativity used 4 dimensions, the three spatial dimensions plus time.  I don't think it specifies time as the fourth dimension.  As I said, people have been using time as a dimension in mathematical equations.  I don't think you can really represent time as a numbered dimension because it doesn't specifically rely on a previous dimension.  Time works just as well in 1 and 2 dimensions as it does in 3 dimensions.  So in a 2 dimensional universe you would end up thinking of time as the third dimension.

[snooptodd]

Scamps has not been declawed correct?  Ouch,
How do u put a cat in time out?

Scamps the forgotten beast

[GlyphGryph]

Well, there are four dimensions, and one of them is time then. Does it really matter? 

[amjh]

The 4th dimension is actually a spatial dimension that scientists believe the universe is expanding into(along a 4 dimensional axis).

Er, no, not quite.

First of all, it's a common fallacy to think the Universe is expanding "into" anything. You have to understand what a metric is, and a heap of differential geometry, to properly understand this concept.

There is no "physically realized" 4th dimension, as it were: the treatment of time as a "4th dimension" is a critical part of getting the theory of General Relativity to work and explain the evolution of the Universe ("cosmology").

You'll often hear about string theorists requiring extra dimensions (usually 9 or more) but until someone comes up with some testable predictions, I suggest you think of it as "string theology" instead :p

This is probably arguing semantics but I think the theory of relativity used 4 dimensions, the three spatial dimensions plus time.  I don't think it specifies time as the fourth dimension.  As I said, people have been using time as a dimension in mathematical equations.  I don't think you can really represent time as a numbered dimension because it doesn't specifically rely on a previous dimension.  Time works just as well in 1 and 2 dimensions as it does in 3 dimensions.  So in a 2 dimensional universe you would end up thinking of time as the third dimension.

...Are you saying time can't be a dimension like spatial dimensions because that would mess up numbering of dimensions?

what.

[Exponent]

...Are you saying time can't be a dimension like spatial dimensions because that would mess up numbering of dimensions?

I think the argument is merely that any reference to the fourth dimension is misleading.  No dimension is specifically the fourth one (as opposed to the first, second, or third, or whatever else), except from the perspective of adding additional dimensions to an existing theoretical model.

Time can definitely be a dimension.  It can be one dimension within a four-dimensional model.  But to say that it is the fourth dimension is simply noting that we typically start off thinking about a three-dimensional model, and then realize that we can create a new and useful model by including time as a fourth dimension.