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inteuniso

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A Most Glorious Discovery
« on: April 27, 2010, 07:33:53 pm »
After generating a world, I check the civs when beginning a fort. I had noticed that the goblins had died out, their human abductees taking over.

The best part of this world though? Not a single elf has survived to my time. This world is officially elfless.

EDIT: Damnit, those crafty elves. Apparently some escaped to the wilderness. Time to go into adventurer mode and slaughter what is left of them.
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2010, 07:38:00 pm »
No goblins, and soon-to-be no elves... Sounds like a good world to send to the Age of Twilight/Death.
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2010, 05:58:59 am »
Actually I notice that, in worldgen, it can happen very often.
Playing with a harpy mod I am making I could see they never survive worldgen. And during the many tries, elves, goblins and at times even humans went extinct entirely, leaving only "towns" (instead of *human* towns). Dwarves are the most successful, and even so I had cases of only one dwarven site remaining.
I wonder if something is bugged? (even in vanilla, also tried disabling my customizations)
Reading legends, I can't tell why they go extinct, but seems related to megabeasts slaying everything they come across. (the information is a bit too spread out to figure).
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2010, 07:17:30 am »
Yes, now that certain large aboveground creatures are very hard to kill, they do a lot more rampaging and extinctifying other creatures.  Probably the worldgen defaults need to be tweaked so they are more rare/weaker in combat and not the scourge of civilisations, or add in an extra option to reject worlds without certain civs. Maybe the number of caves also has an effect.
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2010, 08:51:59 am »
    elfless

What a wonderful and beautiful word.
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2010, 09:29:07 am »
But where will my war grizzlies come from?
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2010, 10:34:25 am »
Elfless... I think I may have dwarfless world. Just the seven in my fort. Well, six it is now after that little cave-in accident.
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2010, 11:15:02 am »
I've noticed that goblins tend to hardly ever survive 2010 v.03

Humans, however.. my God: I've never seen them fail to dominate the map.

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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2010, 11:53:46 am »
Quote from: Kuraudo on April 28, 2010, 11:15:02 am
Humans, however.. my God: I've never seen them fail to dominate the map.
As it should be, no?
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2010, 12:02:06 pm »
Quote from: JoshBrickstien on April 28, 2010, 11:53:46 am
Quote from: Kuraudo on April 28, 2010, 11:15:02 am
Humans, however.. my God: I've never seen them fail to dominate the map.
As it should be, no?

The setting for DF is quite a lot like Tolkien's Middle-Earth, so my guess is that the 'correct' outcome should be humans surviving while the more magical species die out.
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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2010, 12:29:11 pm »
Well humans are a size category bigger than all the other sentients and they also get iron weapons.  This means they are better than goblins and elves in worldgen combat.  Goblins and elves rely on numbers for their combat.  Dwarves get steel weapons so they have an advantage over goblins and elves (who are both now the same size).
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2010, 02:16:38 pm »
Quote from: Fullmoon on April 28, 2010, 08:51:59 am
    elfless

What a wonderful and beautiful word.
Indeed...


...wait, now who do i test my megatraps on?! :'(
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2010, 02:24:03 pm »
Quote from: Aklyon on April 28, 2010, 02:16:38 pm
Indeed...


...wait, now who do i test my megatraps on?! :'(

Yep, looks like you are out of luck. In unrelated news, remember how dwarven nobles tend to suffer unfortunate accidents involving fortress megatraps?
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Re: A Most Glorious Discovery
« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2010, 02:27:19 pm »
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Quote from: Aklyon on April 28, 2010, 02:16:38 pm
Indeed...


...wait, now who do i test my megatraps on?! :'(

Yep, looks like you are out of luck. In unrelated news, remember how dwarven nobles tend to suffer unfortunate accidents involving fortress megatraps?
Huzzah! *rebuilds*
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