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[G-Flex]

A giant multi-story screwpump makes sense, but a vertical one really doesn't. I'm pretty sure you can't really make one of those beyond a certain angle, at least not effectively.

Of course, at that size, you might also need manufacturing capabilities/materials that the dwarves wouldn't have, considering how much torque you'd need to apply to that thing, and how long it is.

[Arkenstone]

The Principles of Dwarven Physics:
Emc²
W_inW_out
Fma

[GRead]

Wouldn't it be easier to make pipes buildable and just pipe the magma up?

[Arkenstone]

Easier?  Yes.
More FUN?  No.

Besides, in the real world, pipes only work when pressurized.  Although, that could be how they work: they could act as a conduit for water to "teleport" through.  The only advantage here would be that it takes up less space, but if a buildingdestroyer came along...  It could act as a trap!

[G-Flex]

Yeah, pipes aren't magical make-liquids-travel-upwards anti-gravity devices. You still need a way to pump the stuff upwards, and I have no idea what would work there.

[Alu]

Ok some want to stick with the pump stack, because they find it more challenging and realistic.
I srsly understand your point, but maybe we can find a good solution.
How about a drill machine, that drills through 10 floors max and can only made with Adamantine or Platinum?
Plus its made of two components, the drill part and the machine part
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[Draco18s]

How about a drill machine, that drills through 10 floors max and can only made with Adamantine or Platinum?

...Platinum?

[Alu]

How about a drill machine, that drills through 10 floors max and can only made with Adamantine or Platinum?

...Platinum?

Is Steel harder to get? never tried this one until now.
If not, then adamantine only.

ps. is there a reason for not having Mithril?

[Diablous]

ps. is there a reason for not having Mithril?

I remember hearing something about Toady worrying about getting sued if he used Mithril, so he went with adamantine. Not quite sure if memory serves there.

[j0nas]

I would like to agree with the suggestion to just use pipes.  We already have them, lets make them buildable and have them extend the pumping suction of the pump downwards through the z-levels, or even down then sideways along the x and y.

While we're at it, why not just make (pressurized) fluids flow through them in every way, by basically letting a square with a built pipe have a second, hidden fluid value.  This allows for a pipe running through the main, dry fortress, to refill the reservoir from the river, for example.  Since such pipes have set entries and exits, perhaps the fluid mechanics through them could be simplified to lessen CPU load.  Also, since such built pipes could be destroyed by tantruming dwarves, there's fun to be had for everyone!

[Draco18s]

How about a drill machine, that drills through 10 floors max and can only made with Adamantine or Platinum?

...Platinum?

Is Steel harder to get? never tried this one until now.

At what point does one need platinum to get steel (or vice versa)?

[Arkenstone]

ps. is there a reason for not having Mithril?

I remember hearing something about Toady worrying about getting sued if he used Mithril, so he went with adamantine. Not quite sure if memory serves there.

If you want to be technical about it, Mithril=Adamantine; just the same as Goblin=Orc.

The terms Mithril and Orc are simply Tolkien's elvish words for Adamantine and Goblin.  It was only later, with D&D, etc. that the terms became associated with separate things.

[Saint]

You don't even need a river for waterwheels.  You just need some source of replenishing water.  Making your own 'river' is easy, you just have to prime the pump, and it'll power itself.  Perpetual motion device is pertetual.

The only problem with water that doesn't replenish is it evaporates...

Underground waterwheels?

[Ilmoran]

How about a drill machine, that drills through 10 floors max and can only made with Adamantine or Platinum?

...Platinum?

Is Steel harder to get? never tried this one until now.

At what point does one need platinum to get steel (or vice versa)?

I think he's suggesting materials based on rarity/difficuly to acquire, not on actual properties of the material.

[Draco18s]

I think he's suggesting materials based on rarity/difficuly to acquire, not on actual properties of the material.

It should almost definitely be based on material properties, or it Makes No Sense.  Like making armor out of gold because "it looks cool, so should be more awesome."