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[Kadzar]

I don't know, gobbos are hard to justify adventuring with. Kobolds are just thieves and might prove useful in getting treasure for the group. Gobbos are just immoral and don't have any special skills that would be helpful for an adventuring party.

[GreatWyrmGold]

Goblins on balance, perhaps.

Specific goblins? They're as strong as dwarves, as stealthy as kobolds, and as ageless as elves. That's a successful combination.

[rabidgam3r]

You know what? you could do a theme of morgan freeman on a rampage through space and i wouldn't care, i would still love it.

[dragnar]

...Oh wow, real posts in this thread again. That's a shock. o_o

Anyway, I vote for goblins! Going on lots and lots of very very badly planned and poorly fated raids on some dwarves.

[Kadzar]

Goblins on balance, perhaps.

Specific goblins? They're as strong as dwarves, as stealthy as kobolds, and as ageless as elves. That's a successful combination.

It's good for the goblin, but not the party. If we've already got a dwarf and a kobold (I consider the ageless thing unimportant for adventuring), why do we need a gobbo? Dwarves are trustworthy, and you can trust a kobold not to do anything worse than steal from you (and they're weak enough that you can easily intimidate them into giving your stuff back if they do), but what's to stop a gobbo from stabbing you in the back while you sleep? They only consider murder to be a personal matter, for Armok's sake! I'd rather trust my life to one of those savage beastmen.

[rabidgam3r]

"Should I really be riding this War Lobster? it really wants to go into water and I can't swim-"

"SHUT UP, RECRUIT!"

[GreatWyrmGold]

Goblins on balance, perhaps.

Specific goblins? They're as strong as dwarves, as stealthy as kobolds, and as ageless as elves. That's a successful combination.

It's good for the goblin, but not the party. If we've already got a dwarf and a kobold (I consider the ageless thing unimportant for adventuring), why do we need a gobbo? Dwarves are trustworthy, and you can trust a kobold not to do anything worse than steal from you (and they're weak enough that you can easily intimidate them into giving your stuff back if they do), but what's to stop a gobbo from stabbing you in the back while you sleep? They only consider murder to be a personal matter, for Armok's sake! I'd rather trust my life to one of those savage beastmen.

Agelessness gives lots of time to learn how to do something. Thus, elves and goblins alike should be masters at their trades. I'd call that useful.

[Kadzar]

Goblins on balance, perhaps.

Specific goblins? They're as strong as dwarves, as stealthy as kobolds, and as ageless as elves. That's a successful combination.

It's good for the goblin, but not the party. If we've already got a dwarf and a kobold (I consider the ageless thing unimportant for adventuring), why do we need a gobbo? Dwarves are trustworthy, and you can trust a kobold not to do anything worse than steal from you (and they're weak enough that you can easily intimidate them into giving your stuff back if they do), but what's to stop a gobbo from stabbing you in the back while you sleep? They only consider murder to be a personal matter, for Armok's sake! I'd rather trust my life to one of those savage beastmen.

Agelessness gives lots of time to learn how to do something. Thus, elves and goblins alike should be masters at their trades. I'd call that useful.

You make a good point on the usefulness of agelessness, but not for gobbos. If they're more skilled, they'll be better able to commit treachery. And what skill would a gobbo know that an elf wouldn't, that would make it worth risking them sneaking up on you at night and slitting your throat?

[GreatWyrmGold]

Goblins on balance, perhaps.

Specific goblins? They're as strong as dwarves, as stealthy as kobolds, and as ageless as elves. That's a successful combination.

It's good for the goblin, but not the party. If we've already got a dwarf and a kobold (I consider the ageless thing unimportant for adventuring), why do we need a gobbo? Dwarves are trustworthy, and you can trust a kobold not to do anything worse than steal from you (and they're weak enough that you can easily intimidate them into giving your stuff back if they do), but what's to stop a gobbo from stabbing you in the back while you sleep? They only consider murder to be a personal matter, for Armok's sake! I'd rather trust my life to one of those savage beastmen.

Agelessness gives lots of time to learn how to do something. Thus, elves and goblins alike should be masters at their trades. I'd call that useful.

You make a good point on the usefulness of agelessness, but not for gobbos. If they're more skilled, they'll be better able to commit treachery. And what skill would a gobbo know that an elf wouldn't, that would make it worth risking them sneaking up on you at night and slitting your throat?

The absence of a point on that reply should have clued you into what I meant.

[zomara0292]

Goblins on balance, perhaps.

Specific goblins? They're as strong as dwarves, as stealthy as kobolds, and as ageless as elves. That's a successful combination.

It's good for the goblin, but not the party. If we've already got a dwarf and a kobold (I consider the ageless thing unimportant for adventuring), why do we need a gobbo? Dwarves are trustworthy, and you can trust a kobold not to do anything worse than steal from you (and they're weak enough that you can easily intimidate them into giving your stuff back if they do), but what's to stop a gobbo from stabbing you in the back while you sleep? They only consider murder to be a personal matter, for Armok's sake! I'd rather trust my life to one of those savage beastmen.

Agelessness gives lots of time to learn how to do something. Thus, elves and goblins alike should be masters at their trades. I'd call that useful.

You know, I am plussing this because, i have always wanted to plus something in this work to make a difference but it died a week before I started lurking this thread.

[Armok]

I'm going to add to what many have said with more clarity: on the internet, in full generality, perfectionism is the worst error you can make, only talent not effort matters, the more you churn out in raw quantity the more people will love you even if it's crap. Oh, and in further generality EVERYWHERE, it has been scientifically proven (yes, with actual experiments and stuff) going for only quantity and not caring for quality actually results in higher quality because you get that much more practical and also isn't trying to hard.

This goes both for the visual art and things like the plot having a direction.

There is much wisdom in the saying "real artists ship".

[GreatWyrmGold]

You just made me sad.

(Oh, and the topic's been read 11,600 times. Almost exactly.)

[Jbg97]

You just made me sad.

(Oh, and the topic's been read 11,600 times. Almost exactly.)

Scientific studies have shown that optimism has resulted in bad economies and errors in judgement. Stay sad, stay smart.

[Robocorn]

Goblins on balance, perhaps.

Specific goblins? They're as strong as dwarves, as stealthy as kobolds, and as ageless as elves. That's a successful combination.

It's good for the goblin, but not the party. If we've already got a dwarf and a kobold (I consider the ageless thing unimportant for adventuring), why do we need a gobbo? Dwarves are trustworthy, and you can trust a kobold not to do anything worse than steal from you (and they're weak enough that you can easily intimidate them into giving your stuff back if they do), but what's to stop a gobbo from stabbing you in the back while you sleep? They only consider murder to be a personal matter, for Armok's sake! I'd rather trust my life to one of those savage beastmen.

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[Rose]

I love that picture.

So much.