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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #180 on: April 28, 2010, 01:47:14 pm »

RedKing:

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Or cut off the 'Mighty and Glorious' US from it's oil reserves around the world. That wouldn't be so difficult. Especially that those oil reserves are mainly not in US ground.
The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

If an enormous country can sustain itself on it's territorial-only resources, then it's an Utopia.

And besides, most of your things are Made in China.
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« Reply #181 on: April 28, 2010, 01:51:25 pm »

Nor is ANYONE qualified to make such a statement.  Because, like I said... as soon as that is in place, guns will be manufactured up to that point.  As you said, technology advances have made the assault rifles of yesteryear (shot and ball rifles) futile today.  This is ground you cannot tread because it's a living, moving target.
Er. No.
Not all guns will be manufactured up to that point.
There are already limitations, they just aren't very strict. As you said, your brother's AR-15 was stripped of Full Auto fire. Manufacturer's aren't going to stop making guns that exceed these limits. They sure as hell don't make most of their money from the civilian market anyway.

How do you intend on keeping the dirt air tight long enough to kill it?  Maybe you want to trap them, put them in a glass jar and kill them that way?  It's far easier, cheaper, and environmentally friendly to put a bullet in them.
Fumigation is the most common method of dealing with groundhogs. Personally I've never had to deal with them. However, numerous relatives who live further north have. Fumigation worked just fine for them.

Hold up!  Hold those tanks!  This military base is surrounded by a community.  Don't fire until we can get everyone away.  Thanks for your cooperation!

Invasion ALSO doesn't happen overnight.We'd know if they Chinese were about to launch an invasion. Especially not of a superpower by the next one.
Also again, The likelihood of your scenario, while less than the last. Is still extremely slim, perhaps 3 consecutive lottery wins.

It's good to plan for disaster. However, I don't walk around with a full-body rubber suit on because I know I could be struck by lighting. There is a limit. (That's also about a million times more likely then a Chinese invasion.
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #182 on: April 28, 2010, 01:51:40 pm »

The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

If an enormous country can sustain itself on it's territorial-only resources, then it's an Utopia.

And besides, most of your things are Made in China.
You're arguing cost vs supply.  We have tons of oil in Alaska, Southwest states and offshore drilling to sustain our immediate need, but the cost of our labor and the cost to obtain that oil is prohibitive.  Also, some of it is on "protected" land.

We buy most of our goods from China because it's cheaper than having one of us make them.  It has nothing to do with natural resources.
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #183 on: April 28, 2010, 01:53:21 pm »

RedKing:

Part 1, additional E:

Or cut off the 'Mighty and Glorious' US from it's oil reserves around the world. That wouldn't be so difficult. Especially that those oil reserves are mainly not in US ground.
The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

If an enormous country can sustain itself on it's territorial-only resources, then it's an Utopia.

And besides, most of your things are Made in China.

Another reason why China wouldn't invade. The sheer amount of Metric shit-tons of their product we buy.

Also, China isn't our only source of oil. It's not like we can't make up the difference.
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #184 on: April 28, 2010, 01:53:32 pm »

RedKing:

Part 1, additional E:

Or cut off the 'Mighty and Glorious' US from it's oil reserves around the world. That wouldn't be so difficult. Especially that those oil reserves are mainly not in US ground.
The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

Yes, but big-publicity environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club flip whenever drilling is mentioned. I heard something on the radio a while back that Montana has more oil than all of Saudi Arabia. The thing is that the oil is on national reserves, so any drilling there would likely cause a nationwide tantrum spiral.
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #185 on: April 28, 2010, 01:55:16 pm »

RedKing:

Part 1, additional E:

Or cut off the 'Mighty and Glorious' US from it's oil reserves around the world. That wouldn't be so difficult. Especially that those oil reserves are mainly not in US ground.
The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

Yes, but big-publicity environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club flip whenever drilling is mentioned. I heard something on the radio a while back that Montana has more oil than all of Saudi Arabia. The thing is that the oil is on national reserves, so any drilling there would likely cause a nationwide tantrum spiral.

If China INVADES, I think those environmentalist voices are going to lose a bit of their volume.
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« Reply #186 on: April 28, 2010, 02:00:14 pm »

If China INVADES, I think those environmentalist voices are going to lose a bit of their volume.

They don't really need to invade they can just recall some of the national debt instead :)
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #187 on: April 28, 2010, 02:01:22 pm »

RedKing:

Part 1, additional E:

Or cut off the 'Mighty and Glorious' US from it's oil reserves around the world. That wouldn't be so difficult. Especially that those oil reserves are mainly not in US ground.
The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

Yes, but big-publicity environmentalist groups like the Sierra Club flip whenever drilling is mentioned. I heard something on the radio a while back that Montana has more oil than all of Saudi Arabia. The thing is that the oil is on national reserves, so any drilling there would likely cause a nationwide tantrum spiral.

And that's a reason to screw with oil of other countries, srsly? :P
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #188 on: April 28, 2010, 02:03:46 pm »

And that's a reason to screw with oil of other countries, srsly? :P

Even the wise Lord Dakoth does not pretend to understand the motives and intentions the Sierra Club. Or the government's decision to pay any attention to them, for that matter.
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« Reply #189 on: April 28, 2010, 02:03:55 pm »

Honestly, I'd just rather we all stop arguing about these extremely unlikely scenarios.
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« Reply #190 on: April 28, 2010, 02:05:27 pm »

Nor is ANYONE qualified to make such a statement.  Because, like I said... as soon as that is in place, guns will be manufactured up to that point.  As you said, technology advances have made the assault rifles of yesteryear (shot and ball rifles) futile today.  This is ground you cannot tread because it's a living, moving target.
Er. No.
Not all guns will be manufactured up to that point.
There are already limitations, they just aren't very strict. As you said, your brother's AR-15 was stripped of Full Auto fire. Manufacturer's aren't going to stop making guns that exceed these limits. They sure as hell don't make most of their money from the civilian market anyway.
Not all of them, but let's say that there is a law stating that no guns can be produced that shoot over 50 rounds a minute.  Now manufacturers are going to create a gun that shoots no more than 50 rounds a minute, but maybe those rounds break apart mid flight to cause the most damage.  They could also begin more research into shot filled bullets... technology will outpace some arbitrary restrictions.

I can't think of the model right now, but there's a rifle (categorized by barrel length) that can be concealed and carried because the barrel was moved back inside the gun.  It looks just like a sub-machine gun, but only fires one round per trigger pull.  Someone created a classification, and a manufacturer worked around it.  That's what happens.

How do you intend on keeping the dirt air tight long enough to kill it?  Maybe you want to trap them, put them in a glass jar and kill them that way?  It's far easier, cheaper, and environmentally friendly to put a bullet in them.
Fumigation is the most common method of dealing with groundhogs. Personally I've never had to deal with them. However, numerous relatives who live further north have. Fumigation worked just fine for them.
The fumigation that you are referring to requires a ton of chemicals and could most definitely harm creatures that were not your intended targets.

Invasion ALSO doesn't happen overnight.We'd know if they Chinese were about to launch an invasion. Especially not of a superpower by the next one.
Also again, The likelihood of your scenario, while less than the last. Is still extremely slim, perhaps 3 consecutive lottery wins.

It's good to plan for disaster. However, I don't walk around with a full-body rubber suit on because I know I could be struck by lighting. There is a limit. (That's also about a million times more likely then a Chinese invasion.

Perhaps you all missed where I put in parenthesis the word "arbitrary"... biological, explosive, and nuclear weapons also do not selectively only kill military as is exemplified by the whole middle east conflict and someone flying a plane into a building.  (I won't even get into the idea that there could have been someone on that plane who could have prevented that incident... because you are all trained to think of guns as "evil" and will likely find an excuse to justify your position.)

Guns, in any shape or form are not evil, bad, forsaken, or otherwise intentional weapons of destruction.  They may have been designed for purposes of war, but so did Radar, X-Rays, rubber, Teflon...heck, even knifes and those purposes do not extend to items created from such technology.
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« Reply #191 on: April 28, 2010, 02:09:11 pm »

Honestly, I'd just rather we all stop arguing about these extremely unlikely scenarios.
As long as you understand that regulation will always be "worked around" and loop-holed to high heavens.  Also, that gun's sole purpose in life (although by design) is not the extermination of man and placing undue restrictions on one such item is ridiculous.  "Sometimes you just want to blow shit up."
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #192 on: April 28, 2010, 02:15:27 pm »

RedKing:

Part 1, additional E:

Or cut off the 'Mighty and Glorious' US from it's oil reserves around the world. That wouldn't be so difficult. Especially that those oil reserves are mainly not in US ground.
The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

I'm afraid that's incorrect. The US has very little oil- we've been declining in production since the '60s. If the world stopped sending us oil, we'd see massive disruption within hours.

Luckily, nobody wants to do that, because we would still have a few day's worth of fuel for military use, and we'd be angry.
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Re: Where Are You On The Political Compass?
« Reply #193 on: April 28, 2010, 02:16:34 pm »

RedKing:

Part 1, additional E:

Or cut off the 'Mighty and Glorious' US from it's oil reserves around the world. That wouldn't be so difficult. Especially that those oil reserves are mainly not in US ground.
The US has it's own oil... some of it's not as easy to get to though.  It would be plenty to support us while the prices go up and it's replaced with alternatives.  It may even be good for us, IMHO.

I'm afraid that's incorrect. The US has very little oil- we've been declining in production since the '60s. If the world stopped sending us oil, we'd see massive disruption within hours.

Luckily, nobody wants to do that, because we would still have a few day's worth of fuel for military use, and we'd be angry.

What is one angry country against whole world :P
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« Reply #194 on: April 28, 2010, 02:18:39 pm »

One angry country that spends more on its military than the next fifteen countries combined, that's what.

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