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[Othob Rithol]

quote:Originally posted by Kagus:
<STRONG>HAHAHA!  Cool, my threads got added as the official sticky-threads of entertainment.  Tee hee hee.

Apparently, a well-placed joke can get you access to great fame and fortune...  I'll have to try it more often.</STRONG>

I for one was going to point out the lack of rationale behind putting a link to non-suggestion threads in a "sticky-bumped" suggestion thread.

Frankly, I don't see how this is going to serve the purpose it describes. If the threads are filtered by the OP, then we get a "what he/she thinks is important" thread. If we all post links here, then they get buried in the 3458734953678453 posts that will be needed to keep this in the first five pages until next Thursday.

If it such a huge deal for people to have stickies, then the thread should be "Upgrade to a better forum software".

As for jumping down peoples throats for not using the lame and random search function or noticing that bloat 176 mentions something kind of like the idea, people can take it way too far. In an unmoderated forum, it tends to happen.

The greater problems I have seen on this forum are with trolling and flaming.

Lastly, I will only accept ANYTHING that says RULES if the poster is part of the actual dev team/board administration. Want to set rules, ask Toady to make you a  mod, and I will jump in line.

[Mikademus]

The rules came from trying to get a sense of the general mood --the established norms if you will-- of this forum. Nothing out of my own fantasy or sense of etiquette, only that already commonly said in reply to drive-by postings.

@Draco: ah, ok. The curse of text-based communication is that it is sometimes difficult to recognise agreement... Cheers!  

@Othob: No, I don't post whatever only I feel important. That is why I want everyone to submit threads they consider deserves a prominent position. For some psychologically unsound reason I usually check this forum several times a day so it should stay reasonably updated. But surely, until we have a better forum software, you must agree that something needs to be done to make this forum work? As it is, without something serving as a sticky-ersatz it is basically shouting into the void.

@Toady: There seems to be several very skilled individuals roaming this forum. If you wish, I'm sure they would help setting up a phpBB or Invision board for Bay12. The message database should be exportable to those systems. I have also noticed a few regulars here that to me seems to be excellent community moderator material.

@Capntastic: Updating title with "PLEASE READ"

[ March 29, 2008: Message edited by: Mikademus ]

[Capntastic]

I've been an admin on a roleplaying forum and its now defunct satellite board for about three years, and have a general idea of how forums work (both in maintenance and general policing [editing out innapropriate content, humorously modifying spam ads, giving people silly titles]), so if a new forum is forged I'd be glad to help out.  

Really, the only reason I haven't clamored for a newer forum for B12 is because the community was tiny when I first showed up, but only recently did I realize how immense it's become in the past few years.   It's quite insane.  

The only real problems I see with the current forum is that, especially in the suggestions forum, people are constantly suggesting the same things or things that are in the dev notes, which leads to plenty of good ideas- but all of them in their own seperate cubbyholes.   Unified discussion is always better than a few stray threads that could use tying together.   This thread seems to be intent on solving that problem, and for that I give it an A+.   Of course, Toady brings up an excellent point about updating duties, as well as the idea of it (or another, similar thread) being linked from the top of the forum, giving it officiousness.

[X]

There is no need for stickies, rather than bumping this thread it would be more appropriate to maintain a wiki page. If that was sufficiently useful, it's simple to link it from the sub-forum header.

X

[Capntastic]

quote:Originally posted by X:
<STRONG>There is no need for stickies, rather than bumping this thread it would be more appropriate to maintain a wiki page. If that was sufficiently useful, it's simple to link it from the sub-forum header.</STRONG>

It'd be best if da rules were stored somewhere that was only editable by Toady, really.

[Toady One]

Yeah, I guess linking relevant/popular/whatever suggestion threads from the wiki might do, and rules if needed can be placed above the suggestions forum in the area that's provided for me (the 4th rule about checking the dev pages has been there for a while), or any of the other forums to the extent that they are necessary at all.

What do people think about having a rules list up there, anyway?  It could start to crowd things down if there are many.

[ March 30, 2008: Message edited by: Toady One ]

[I3erent]

quote:Originally posted by Toady One:
<STRONG>Yeah, I guess linking relevant/popular/whatever suggestion threads from the wiki might do, and rules if needed can be placed above the suggestions forum in the area that's provided for me (the 4th rule about checking the dev pages has been there for a while), or any of the other forums to the extent that they are necessary at all.

What do people think about having a rules list up there, anyway?  It could start to crowd things down if there are many.

[ March 30, 2008: Message edited by: Toady One ]</STRONG>

Aww rules??? WTF dude?

[Istrian]

Maybe someone from the community should make another website dedicated to keeping general statistics on suggestions (links to relevant threads, how many people agree/disagree with suggestion, summary of what has been said on those threads), popular threads as well as host polls to weight the agreement with a suggestion.

The point is to have what people on this thread are asking for (stickied threads, suggestion approval rating) without having to modify the existing forums.

As for rules, I'm not sure if they would be any help since :
- Toady doesn't moderate the forums
- The search function is not really useful (it gives too many threads, hence recent thread necromancy)
- People don't read rules anyway

[Mikademus]

Rules are really only useful to have something to point to when moderation is necessary. As for a wiki page, that is an excellent idea. The only problem is that it too needs to be linked, preferably also from the forum, and for that we need stickes, so we're back to a thread like this, or square one.

[Mikademus]

*beep bump*

[Toady One]

We don't need stickies to do the link.  The space just above the topic list can have a wiki link and any guidelines.

[Mikademus]

That would seem to be an acceptable solution.

[Deathworks]

Hi!

Actually, I am a little girl - just kidding, of course. Now that I have done the obligatory April's Fool nonsense, we can turn to regular business.

As no one seems to be willing to actually make the first step, I have created a first version of such a wiki page:
http://www.dwarffortresswiki.net/index.php/Forums

This is just the initial version, and I am sure that people will find many ways to improve it. But I hope that my bold step helps break the ice so that people actually start implementing the page properly.

Currently that page is not linked to from anywhere else in the dwarf wiki. I leave this up for others to figure out.

I may have done this first step, but I do not think I will be able to do any more work on this, so please, if you care about this, do improve the page. I will probably not do so, so there is no point in waiting for me to do it.

Deathworks

[Mikademus]

Continuing my spree of goodwill and optimism, I can only say "Good work, little girl"!

[Drunken]

Bump
Also, I added 3 more useful threads to the wiki.
God my internet is slow today