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Logical2u

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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #120 on: April 24, 2010, 09:24:50 pm »

Wait, I got my school banned from Wikipedia once.  I'm no longer proud of that.
How did you manage that?
Uh, banned from editing, not viewing.
What did you do, change MLK's page to nothing but racial epithets or something? Or did they just get their knickers in a twist and ban you for no reason.

Speaking as a retired wikipedia editor, it's almost never for "no reason" - typically schools get banned because some kids on lunch break start inserting their names into random articles with terrible grammar, or removing entire pages and replacing it with "*NAME* RULEZZZZZZZ *SCHOOL* 4 LYFEEE". I know this because not only did MY school do this, but I also cleaned many, many pages with stuff like this on it...

As Leaf mentions, 4 strikes and you're out. Schools get it worse because they're typically on a single (or small group) of IPs, so repeat offenders are easy to pick out.

The seemingly more arbitrary bans typically come because of really annoying subtle stuff. My first month on Wikipedia was spent in an edit war with a guy claiming to be a representative of a company who was trying to aggressively insert his company into a rival company's page. It only ended when the guy got so frustrated with the people stopping him (because that was what the rules and the discussion consensus was) that he started attacking other people and creating sock accounts to continue his agenda - basically the Wikipedia equivalent of war-crimes.

The problem is that unless it's clearcut vandalism, it's basically a political quagmire for anyone to get banned. And even when it is clearcut, sometimes the reason why is more important than the what.

Anyways, no one really cares about Wikipedia anyways...

I think the only time I've been warned was on a very arbitrarily arbitrated forum for a game mod, about saying something stupid and snarky to someone else... In contrast, on the same forum, I got into a flame war with someone (who I later discovered to be the fiancé of someone I was acquainted with on a different set of forums - where we eventually reconciled and laughed about the whole thing) and wasn't even warned.
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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #121 on: April 24, 2010, 09:32:00 pm »

I was banned from Italy once for being too sexy.
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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #122 on: April 24, 2010, 09:50:37 pm »

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« Reply #123 on: April 24, 2010, 09:52:16 pm »

I was banned from Italy once for being too sexy.
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As Toady says, I was not innocent. I have since learned what topics to avoid. Specifically, I learned to avoid responding to antagonism from anyone whose user name you have never seen before. You also learn which of the regulars will fight at the drop of a hat. I maintain that I never intentionally started an argument, but that's not an excuse for participating in them.

It simply felt entirely too extreme to be treated as a troll (and accused of it even by Threetoe) when I had participated on the forums for nearly 3 months without incident, and a clear record of my posts was available showing that the majority of my time was spent helping noobs and answering questions, not starting nor participating in fights.

It took me a long time to realize that real-life problem resolution doesn't work on a forum. People take advantage of anonymity to be as unreasonable or idiotic as they wish. Had this not been my first forum, there would be no record of a rough learning period.
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« Reply #124 on: April 24, 2010, 10:16:40 pm »

I'm pretty sure that every IP at my school is blocked now. I didn't help much, considering that I repeatedly changed the unit's on Fargo's climate data (Wow. Average of 4 meters of rain a month?) and tried to add Dennis Wallaker to the list of Catholic Saints.
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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #125 on: April 24, 2010, 10:52:00 pm »

I was just looking over this topic and...
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Can you have a poll without people being able to post in it?
Acctually, I think you just lock the topic. The poll should stay.
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« Reply #126 on: April 24, 2010, 11:17:37 pm »

You'd need a sticky, which something that controversial would be unlikely to warrant. You don't get bumped for having your poll voted on!

Also, the people who make polls in these forums are often so incredibly biased in seeking their desired outcome that you can't really express your opinion by choosing from their options.
Want an example?
A. I believe Toady is doing the right thing.
B. I think Toady is stupid and I don't have the patience to wait on bugfixes.
Now how can you choose if you don't agree with the poll writer? Even complainers and objectors must have some respect and regard for the Tarn brothers for allowing us to participate in playing and testing their project. They even allow us to make suggestions and do a lot of work to satisfy the fanbase.

Maybe, just maybe, you could have a poll along the lines of "Do you consider yourself Liberal, Conservative, or Other on the subject of economics?" With the three options, and a link in the post to a clear, relatively unbiased definition/exposition of the modern meanings and implications of claiming to be "Liberal" or "Conservative" on that subject.

Because, you know, technically being liberal on the subject of economics means that you believe in a free market and the least possible amount of government involvement (aside from enforcing the law and facilitating fair competition). However, the modern usage of the word (thanks to political and activist rhetoric) is rather that you are in favor of change to what has over time become the traditional/"conservative" position -in this case, a free market. More specifically, those claiming to be liberals are in favor of socialism and heavy government involvement.
So, you'd need some form of disambiguation (for terminology as stated above) no matter how specific your subject matter, and you'd need someone to run it other than a person who has shown (in past posts) heavy bias and a tendency to buy into modern rhetoric and political agendas from either side. In this case I would defer to an authoritative definition of the modern usage and link it, allowing people to apply the terms to themselves to the best of their discernment.

So, in short, the poll couldn't be run by, say, Jude, Ioric, or Forumsdwarf, to name but a few. No one with an axe to grind. And someone's going to be upset no matter how academic, objective and carefully worded even the poll itself is.
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Grakelin

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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #127 on: April 24, 2010, 11:21:32 pm »

I was banned from Italy once for being too sexy.
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As Toady says, I was not innocent. I have since learned what topics to avoid. Specifically, I learned to avoid responding to antagonism from anyone whose user name you have never seen before.

At first, I thought that you were talking about Toady warning you for being too sexy for Italy, since you quoted me.

I love how everybody who comes back to this forum after being banned starts acting like Edward Norton in American History X. It's like "I've seen the error of my ways, I'm not going to go flaming people and getting banned anymore", but then your little brother gets flamed in the bathroom, and your world falls apart.
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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #128 on: April 24, 2010, 11:38:49 pm »

Because, you know, technically being liberal on the subject of economics means that you believe in a free market and the least possible amount of government involvement (aside from enforcing the law and facilitating fair competition). However, the modern usage of the word (thanks to political and activist rhetoric) is rather that you are in favor of change to what has over time become the traditional/"conservative" position -in this case, a free market. More specifically, those claiming to be liberals are in favor of socialism and heavy government involvement.

And that's why politic beliefs are arranged on a grid, instead of on an axis.

So, a correct poll would be: "Do you consider yourself: a) Libertarian Left, b) Libertarian Right, c) Authoritarian Left, d) Authoritarian Right, e) Other or f) I don't apply / Don't care / View poll?"
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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #129 on: April 24, 2010, 11:43:16 pm »

The grid is nice, but as the Architect stated, left and right don't really mean that much.
A better label for that axis would be more along the lines of Free Market and Communist or something.

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« Reply #130 on: April 24, 2010, 11:45:14 pm »

Communism is not the opposite of Capitalism, actually.
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« Reply #131 on: April 24, 2010, 11:56:09 pm »

The grid is nice, but as the Architect stated, left and right don't really mean that much.
A better label for that axis would be more along the lines of Free Market and Communist or something.

Left and right mean a lot, actually.

Left is social handouts, whilst right is social darwinism, for lack of a better explanation.

Just because certain people don't know the meaning of the terms doesn't mean they don't mean anything. ( It's not your fault, though, it's because of the dilution of the terms in media these days. )
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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #132 on: April 24, 2010, 11:57:08 pm »

Because, you know, technically being liberal on the subject of economics means that you believe in a free market and the least possible amount of government involvement (aside from enforcing the law and facilitating fair competition). However, the modern usage of the word (thanks to political and activist rhetoric) is rather that you are in favor of change to what has over time become the traditional/"conservative" position -in this case, a free market. More specifically, those claiming to be liberals are in favor of socialism and heavy government involvement.

And that's why politic beliefs are arranged on a grid, instead of on an axis.

So, a correct poll would be: "Do you consider yourself: a) Libertarian Left, b) Libertarian Right, c) Authoritarian Left, d) Authoritarian Right, e) Other or f) I don't apply / Don't care / View poll?"

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Re: Being "Reported"
« Reply #133 on: April 25, 2010, 12:10:16 am »

Spoiler: politics (click to show/hide)
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« Reply #134 on: April 25, 2010, 12:12:20 am »

Spoiler: politics (click to show/hide)

Don't derail, at least not with such biased stuff ( and, really, this IS opinion, not fact ). At the least, I tried to be disparaging towards both sides of it.
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