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[Neruz]

You've got too many feats there: you only get 1 at level 1, but you've got 3 (Backstabber, Weapon Prof Rapier and Weapon Prof Parrying Dagger).

From an optimisation standpoint the 14 Int is also a waste of time, but you have at least a 16 in Dex, so you won't be incapable at combat, just less effective than you could be.

Apart from that and the fact that you apparantly have 2 Shuriken for no reason i can ascertain, it looks fine.

[Akigagak]

Yeah, I'ff you're going to buy throwing weapons, at least buy like 10, so you have some ammo to spare.

Also, weapon profs?

Not really worth it at first level, especially for those ones.

[Neruz]

Parrying Dagger is worthwhile for some extra defence and access to the TWF tree; which means moar damage on your mainhand. But the Rapier is definitely the underdog of the Light Blades, being strictly inferior to the Dagger (for Rogues).

iirc, there's a couple of Swordmage builds that make reasonable use of the Rapier. But generally it's not a very good weapon, and since you've only got 16 Dex, using a Rapier over a Dagger will hurt you in combat, as you're down at least 2 to hit (+1 for Dagger, +1 for 18 Dex) on an optimised Rogue.


It's not a huge issue or anything, but i think it's only fair to warn you that you will find that using a 16 Dex Rapier Rogue does have a negative impact on your combat capability. It's not like 'OMG U'LL NEVER DO ANYTHING', but you will be a bit behind the curve.

[Acanthus117]

I thought that Akigakak said that weapon expertise feats were free.

OK, I'll fix up the whole weapons thing. thanks.

The 14 INT is from the +2 that all Dopplegangers get, and I will use a dagger now. Thanks, guys~

*also fixing up *

[Neruz]

I thought that Akigakak said that weapon expertise feats were free.

OK, I'll fix up the whole weapons thing. thanks.

The 14 INT is from the +2 that all Dopplegangers get, and I will use a dagger now. Thanks, guys~

*also fixing up *

Expertise, not Proficiency.

Expertise feats add +1 to attack rolls per Tier (+1 at Heroic, +2 at Paragon, +3 at Epic).

And yeah: But Int is a Rogue dump stat; nothing Rogues do uses Int, so ideally from an optimisation perspective you should have 10 Int (8 + 2) and put those 4 points somewhere else, like Str, Cha or Con.

[Acanthus117]

I thought that Akigakak said that weapon expertise feats were free.

OK, I'll fix up the whole weapons thing. thanks.

The 14 INT is from the +2 that all Dopplegangers get, and I will use a dagger now. Thanks, guys~

*also fixing up *

Expertise, not Proficiency.

Expertise feats add +1 to attack rolls per Tier (+1 at Heroic, +2 at Paragon, +3 at Epic).

And yeah: But Int is a Rogue dump stat; nothing Rogues do uses Int, so ideally from an optimisation perspective you should have 10 Int (8 + 2) and put those 4 points somewhere else, like Str, Cha or Con.

Ahhhh! Thanks! I'm not so good at this sorta optimizing stuff.

I have a question. I saw this feat, called Melee Training. It lets you change the stat used for melee attacks... Does this apply to powers when rolling damage for your weapon?

[Neruz]

No, as it says in the feat description it only applies to the power "Melee Basic Attack"

[Acanthus117]

Damn. Oh well.

So as for weapons, should I just take a dagger, a short sword and a hand-crossbow? Or am I missing something?

[Neruz]

Unless you have a reason to assume you're going to need to engage enemies at long range, just get a brace of daggers. You can toss them at enemies for short ranged attacks, and once you get a magic one it'll return to your hand.


The atypical Rogue build pretty much has no reason to ever use anything except a Dagger; that's why the Martial Power books add new Rogue Class Features and Powers that make Crossbows, Slings, Maces and Clubs attractive Rogue options; to add some variaty.

[Acanthus117]

Alright, here's Eris 2.0, complete with fixes! If there's nothing wrong with it, I'll add the backstory.

Spoiler: Eris Redthorn, Doppleganger Adept Dodger Rogue (click to show/hide)

Eris Redthorn
Female Doppelganger Rogue
Level 1
Unaligned
Representing Acanthus117
Strength   14   (+2)
Constitution   12   (+1)
Dexterity   16   (+3)
Intelligence   10   (+0)
Wisdom   11   (+0)
Charisma   16   (+3)
   Height:   5' 11"
Weight:   140 lb
Skin:   Silvery
Eyes:   Gray
Hair:   White; Curly

Maximum Hit Points: 24
Bloodied: 12
Surge Value: 6
Surges / Day: 7 [includes constitution modifier]
               
Size: Medium
Speed: 6 squares
Vision: Normal
Initiative:   1d20 +3   = + 3 [dexterity]
Base Strength Attack:   1d20 +2   = + 2 [strength]
Base Dexterity Attack:   1d20 +3   = + 3 [dexterity]
Base Constitution Attack:   1d20 +1   = + 1 [constitution]
Base Intelligence Attack:   1d20 +0   = + 0 [intelligence]
Base Wisdom Attack:   1d20 +0   = + 0 [wisdom]
Base Charisma Attack:   1d20 +3   = + 3 [charisma]
Armor Class:   15   = 10 + 3 [dexterity] + 2 [leather]
Fortitude Defense:   12   = 10 + 2 [strength]
Reflex Defense:   15   = 10 + 2 [rogue] + 3 [dexterity]
Will Defense:   14   = 10 + 1 [Doppelganger] + 3 [charisma]
Armor: Leather (15 lb)

Shield: None
Attacks:
Unarmed Melee: +2 [base strength attack] vs AC; damage 1[W]=1d4+2 [strength bonus]
Daggers (x6): +6 vs AC [+2 strength attack] [+3 proficiency][+1 rogue weapon talent]; damage 1[W]=1d4+2 [strength bonus] 1 lb (Light blade); usable off-hand; light throwable
        Thrown: range 5/10 +7 vs AC [+3 dexterity attack] [+3 proficient, +1 rogue weapon talent]; damage 1d4+3 [dexterity bonus];
Deft Strike +3w [base dexterity attack] vs AC
Sly Flourish +3w [base dexterity attack] vs AC
Positioning Strike +3w [base dexterity attack] vs AC
Easy Target +3w [base dexterity attack] vs AC
w Weapon-based power. Apply adjustments for proficiency, situation, feats, magic, etc.
Base Saving Throw: d20 vs 10
Encumberance 4e
Normal Load:
Heavy Load:
Maximum Drag Load   140 lb.
280 lb.
700 lb.
   Encumberance 3.5
Light load:
Medium load:
Heavy load:
Lift over head:
Lift off ground:
Push or drag:   58 lb. or less
59-116 lb.
117-175 lb.
175 lb.
350 lb.
875 lb.

Languages:   Common;
Rituals Known:
Skills:
Acrobatics:   +8   = 3 [dexterity] + 5 [class training]
Arcana:   +0   = 0 [intelligence]
Athletics:   +2   = 2 [strength]
Bluff:   +12   = 3 [charisma] + 2 [Doppelganger] + 5 [class training] + 2 [background]
Diplomacy:   +3   = 3 [charisma]
Dungeoneering:   +0   = 0 [wisdom]
Endurance:   +1   = 1 [constitution]
Heal:   +0   = 0 [wisdom]
History:   +0   = 0 [intelligence]
Insight:   +7   = 0 [wisdom] + 2 [Doppelganger] + 5 [class training]
Intimidate:   +3   = 3 [charisma]
Nature:   +0   = 0 [wisdom]
Perception:   +0   = 0 [wisdom]
Religion:   +0   = 0 [intelligence]
Stealth:   +8   = 3 [dexterity] + 5 [class training]
Streetwise:   +8   = 3 [charisma] + 5 [class training]
Thievery:   +8   = 3 [dexterity] + 5 [class training]
Feats:
Backstabber   
At-Will:
Basic Melee Attack: By weapon, damage 1[W]+2 [strength bonus] [standard action]
Basic Ranged Attack: By weapon, damage 1[W]+3 [dexterity bonus] [standard action]
Bull Rush: +2 [base strength attack] vs fortitude [standard action]
Grab: +2 [base strength attack] vs reflex [standard action]
Move grabbed target: +2 [base strength attack] vs fortitude [standard action]
Escape: +8 [acrobatics] vs reflex / +2 [athletics] vs fortitude [move action]
Change Shape [doppelganger][minor action]
Deft Strike [Level 1]
Sly Flourish [Level 1]
Other Standard Actions:   Administer a potion; Aid another; Charge [+1 to basic melee attack or bull rush]; Coup de grace; Equip / stow shield; Ready an action; Total defense; Sustain standard action; Some skills during combat (i.e., Acrobatics -- fast escape; Bluff, Heal -- first aid (use second wind DC10, stabilize the dying DC15, grant a saving throw DC15), Intimidate, Thievery depending on circumstances);
Other Move Actions:   Crawl; Run [speed 8]; Stand up; Shift; Squeeze; Walk; may include some skills during combat (i.e., Acrobatics, Athletics); Double Move (if taken in place of a standard action)
Other Minor Actions:   Draw / sheathe weapon; Drink a potion; Drop prone; Load a crossbow; Open / close a door; Pick up an item; Retrieve / stow an item; Perception -- active (as per revision),Sustain minor action; Some skills during combat (i.e., Insight)
Other Immediate Action:   Readied action
Other Opportunity Action:   Opportunity attack
Other Free Actions:   Drop held items; End a grab; Talk
Other Non-Actions:   Delay; Endurance checks; Insight to counter Bluff; Knowledge checks; Perception -- passive
Short rest:   Healing surges as available
Five minutes:   Normal escape from restraints (Acrobatics)
One hour:   Forage; Streetwise check
Encounter Powers:
 Second Wind
 Spend an Action Point [free action, not in surprise round]
 Positioning Strike [Level 1]
Daily Powers:
 Easy Target [Level 1]
Doppelganger
•   +2 Intelligence, +2 Charisma (already included)
•   +2 Bluff, +2 Insight
•   Mental Defense (+1 will save)
•   Change Shape (see Monster Manual)
Rogue
•   First Strike
•   Rogue Weapon Talent
•   This rogue chose the rogue weapon talent [PH1].
•   This rogue chose the artful dodger style. Remember to add your charisma modifier to AC against opportunity attacks.
•   Sneak Attack [+2d8 at level 1] [once per round with combat advantage]
   
Eris Redthorn's Equipment:
21 lb
2 lb
5 lb




3 lb
10 lb
10 lb
1 lb
2 lb
4 lb
1 lb
8 lb
1 lb
_____
68 lb   Weapons / Armor / Shield (from above)
Backpack
Bedroll
Flint and steel
Ink vial
Ink pen
Paper sheets x5
Pouch (belt) x5
Rations (1 day) x10
Rope (50', hempen) x1
Spyglass
Sunrods x2
Waterskins x1
Whetstone
Disguise kit
Thieves' tools

Total
 Magic items:
 Weapon:
 Weapon:
 Weapon:
 Weapon:
 Armor:
 Shield:
 Arms:
 Feet:
 Hands:
 Head:
 Neck:
 Ring:
 Ring:
 Waist:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Resistances:
Action Point Tally:
Daily Item Powers Per Day: Heroic Tier            Milestones:   /   /   /   
Death Saving Throw Failures:     

[Emperor_Jonathan]

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=203139

Mythweavers sheet.

Stuff will probably be missing. Just tell me what is and I'll get around to fixing it.

Unfortunately, no background yet. Weapons and items list to be put in.

So is there nothing wrong with this sheet?

[Cthulhu]

He's not reviewing them till Friday.

[Acanthus117]

http://www.myth-weavers.com/sheetview.php?sheetid=203615

Here's my mythweavers sheet.

Just gonna add the backstory after I sleep.

[Akigagak]

Goddamn Rogues.

@EJ: you haven't put your equipment on the sheet, you've got 100gp to spend. Like 3.5, it's advisable to buy as much of the starting equipment list as is humanly dragonbornly possible. Also, an important tip for Warlords:

You don't need to be a front-line fighter. Your job is support and tactical movements, so a ranged or reach weapon is good. I recommend the Longspear, as it's the cheapest (only 10gp) reach weapon you can wield, and it does the same-ish amount damage as the others. Take around 3-4 javelins if you want a ranged option.

[Cthulhu]

Everyone be a rogue.  Party of rogues.