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[ISGC]

so, what do you think the eternal punishments for dwarven sins would be?
the dwarven sins I've thought of are:

LiarsImpossible demand makers
Defilers
Thieves
Betrayers of kin
Betrayers of state
Betrayers of god Armok
Mutineers
Murderers
Routers (routing is leaving a battlefield uninstructed, thirsty dwarves)
Slavers

there may be more, but I think I got most of what dwarves see as sins, here are some punishments:

Limbo - Digging
Vermin biting at your heals and hands
Chains completely restraining you
Dogs chasing you
2cat being in a locked room
Drown in blood (of course, this basically already happens ingame)
Carp
Skeletal Carp
Frozen in a Glacier
Devoured by demons

what sins should go with what punishments?

[LordSlowpoke]

Betrayers of godArmok - being devoured alive by skeletal carp while drowning in blood.
The rest, good ol' beating with a pick.

[ISGC]

this is presumably after the dwarf has died
I'm not sure beating the dead bodies will get the message through

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Huh.
You know, it occurs to me that, while I'm made one or two fortresses that haven't been so kind to my dwarves, I've never actually set out to make dwarven Hell.

I'm thinking a glacial map with a magma, and carefully divided burrows (circles)... each immigrant gets assigned to one based on his personality.

[ISGC]

Huh.
You know, it occurs to me that, while I'm made one or two fortresses that haven't been so kind to my dwarves, I've never actually set out to make dwarven Hell.

I'm thinking a glacial map with a magma, and carefully divided burrows (circles)... each immigrant gets assigned to one based on his personality.

do it!
you have to make sure that none of the migrants die, though, as they are already dead.

[FreakyCheeseMan]

Huh.
You know, it occurs to me that, while I'm made one or two fortresses that haven't been so kind to my dwarves, I've never actually set out to make dwarven Hell.

I'm thinking a glacial map with a magma, and carefully divided burrows (circles)... each immigrant gets assigned to one based on his personality.

do it!
you have to make sure that none of the migrants die, though, as they are already dead.

Now, that makes it a challenge...

Though, I could mod. Anyone know what it would take to make dwarves more-or-less unkillable?

Also, suggestions for each level? And anyone know how to get Carp on a glacier?

[ISGC]

I don't know anything about modding, but to keep it simple you should stick to 10 levels, each with their own unique punishments (the only modding I see absolutely necessary is turning off tantrums), maybe the 10 I posted in the OP.

[Moosey]

I think your list of sins ought to be stuff dwarves can actually DO.

You know, like leaving a battle to go have a drink..  or holding the door open so all your farmed animals escape their pen..  demanding impossible materials during strange moods..  being a noble...  that sort of thing.

[FreakyCheeseMan]

I don't know anything about modding, but to keep it simple you should stick to 10 levels, each with their own unique punishments (the only modding I see absolutely necessary is turning off tantrums), maybe the 10 I posted in the OP.

No, that won't work... I need to be able to mine down to HFS, probably, to really be appropriate.

If possible, I'd like for dwarves to get hungrier and hungrier but never starve, be unkillable (but woundable) even by demons, etc.

[ISGC]

I think your list of sins ought to be stuff dwarves can actually DO.

You know, like leaving a battle to go have a drink..  or holding the door open so all your farmed animals escape their pen..  demanding impossible materials during strange moods..  being a noble...  that sort of thing.

well, there are a few things they can do:
Liars - kobolds can steal...
Defilers - tantrum destroying
Thieves - maybe
Betrayers of kin - fighting with other dwarves
Betrayers of state - maybe
Betrayers of god Armok - cleaning blood
Mutineers - maybe
Murderers - killing other dwarves
Routers - leaving a battlefield for drinks ect.
Slavers - caging dwarves, elves, animalmen, ect.

all the maybes represent things that could be considered done if you were role playing.

[FreakyCheeseMan]

I'd certainly have a nobles-only level... others might drop food down to them. Might.

What should that hell be? I'm thinking oppulent rooms, but all unassigned, and full of cave floaters or some other nastiness.

[TheDarkJay]

I'd certainly have a nobles-only level...

Nobles-only level? You mean the *ahem* basement?

[Coidzure Dreams]

I imagine tee-totaleer dwarves woud be in betrayers of nature or betrayers of armok.

Nobles should be at the bottom.

[Retro]

I could see pacifism and sobriety being considered sins in dwarven culture.

[FreakyCheeseMan]

I imagine tee-totaleer dwarves woud be in betrayers of nature or betrayers of armok.

Nobles should be at the bottom.

Since these are dwarves we're talking about, nobles might go to the top- which would fit with dante, as the "worst" level of hell is freezing.

Plus, the lowest level will probably be narrow catwalks between islands on the magma sea, and that sounds like it'd be more fun for wrathful dwarves.

And the *very* top might be where the dwarves who die in hell go- freeze them in blocks of ice.