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Author Topic: Real-world information in the Wiki?  (Read 42857 times)

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Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #210 on: April 25, 2010, 09:33:00 am »

Honestly, part of the reason you get inundated with questions might be because "D for Dwarf" doesn't really strike me as something that automatically makes it obvious that the following information applies in-game. It just sounds like a catchy title that doesn't really say anything. So that might be something you wanna fix, too.

But ok, fair enough. A box works. Just, don't stick it in the sidebar and don't have it closed by default. That's pointless.

Oh, I agree. the D for Dwarf template is rather terrible at accomplishing its goal, but (at risk of sounding like a broken record) I have not had time to mess with it yet.

A lot of these suggestions that have been posted are great, but you have to remember, if YOU YOURSELF don't attempt to put them into place, it's very unlikely someone else will.  There's just not enough hours to do so.

Aw!  I like the D for Dwarf stuff!  Here, I made some alternatives to getting rid of it:
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Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #211 on: April 25, 2010, 09:56:28 am »

Honestly, part of the reason you get inundated with questions might be because "D for Dwarf" doesn't really strike me as something that automatically makes it obvious that the following information applies in-game. It just sounds like a catchy title that doesn't really say anything. So that might be something you wanna fix, too.

But ok, fair enough. A box works. Just, don't stick it in the sidebar and don't have it closed by default. That's pointless.

Oh, I agree. the D for Dwarf template is rather terrible at accomplishing its goal, but (at risk of sounding like a broken record) I have not had time to mess with it yet.

A lot of these suggestions that have been posted are great, but you have to remember, if YOU YOURSELF don't attempt to put them into place, it's very unlikely someone else will.  There's just not enough hours to do so.

Aw!  I like the D for Dwarf stuff!  Here, I made some alternatives to getting rid of it:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What abour R for Real stuff?
Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #212 on: April 25, 2010, 10:09:41 am »

Do you think anyone would mind if I added an article on møøses to the wiki? I ask because I did it on the Red Dead Redemption wiki and got a year ban.
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« Reply #213 on: April 25, 2010, 11:28:09 am »

Feel free to fix it then.  I'm trying to get to all of it, but it's a lot of work.  If you want to complain without contributing, please remember that the people instituting these changes and fixes are volunteering their time and labor.  I've spent almost 9 hours today fixing up minor things on the wiki, and I know other editors have put in comparable (if not greater) time.

I'd have done so, but I would much rather not touch a template object.  As for fixing the template tag from {{elven}} to {{fine}} I don't even know how.
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« Reply #214 on: April 25, 2010, 12:06:08 pm »

Honestly, part of the reason you get inundated with questions might be because "D for Dwarf" doesn't really strike me as something that automatically makes it obvious that the following information applies in-game. It just sounds like a catchy title that doesn't really say anything. So that might be something you wanna fix, too.

But ok, fair enough. A box works. Just, don't stick it in the sidebar and don't have it closed by default. That's pointless.

Oh, I agree. the D for Dwarf template is rather terrible at accomplishing its goal, but (at risk of sounding like a broken record) I have not had time to mess with it yet.

A lot of these suggestions that have been posted are great, but you have to remember, if YOU YOURSELF don't attempt to put them into place, it's very unlikely someone else will.  There's just not enough hours to do so.

Aw!  I like the D for Dwarf stuff!  Here, I made some alternatives to getting rid of it:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What abour R for Real stuff?

Instead of D for Dwarf, how about U for Humor?
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Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #215 on: April 25, 2010, 09:18:41 pm »

Honestly, part of the reason you get inundated with questions might be because "D for Dwarf" doesn't really strike me as something that automatically makes it obvious that the following information applies in-game. It just sounds like a catchy title that doesn't really say anything. So that might be something you wanna fix, too.

But ok, fair enough. A box works. Just, don't stick it in the sidebar and don't have it closed by default. That's pointless.

Oh, I agree. the D for Dwarf template is rather terrible at accomplishing its goal, but (at risk of sounding like a broken record) I have not had time to mess with it yet.

A lot of these suggestions that have been posted are great, but you have to remember, if YOU YOURSELF don't attempt to put them into place, it's very unlikely someone else will.  There's just not enough hours to do so.

Aw!  I like the D for Dwarf stuff!  Here, I made some alternatives to getting rid of it:
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

What abour R for Real stuff?

Instead of D for Dwarf, how about U for Humor?

... I see what you did there. I see it.
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Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #216 on: April 25, 2010, 09:27:14 pm »

I don't?
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« Reply #217 on: April 25, 2010, 11:02:42 pm »

Harharhar, I do.

Anyways!

The reason people have problems with the D is for Dwarf sections is because the headers don't actually communicate anything. Meaningless headers lead to confusion. Kind of obvious.

The "In Real Life" headers, however, don't. They are clear, and to the point, and I doubt anyone would be confused by them. If there is someone, it it probably possible to make it even more clear, but it is several hundred times better than "D is for Dwarf"

U is for Humor is great (And actually contains meaning), but it might be prudent to include a subheader that lets readers now this section is for humour purposes only as well, if possible.
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Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #218 on: April 26, 2010, 05:22:37 pm »

RE: Colored Text and Sections:

No.  Just no.  I am inundated with emails and IRC questions that ask me if something is true or not when it's in a D for Dwarf section. If we're going to put factual information in the wiki, it NEEDS to be in it's own box that makes it patently obvious that this does not apply to the game.  An article section doesn't fulfill this requirement either, as it's not made obvious (as obvious as it might seem, it's really not) that the information is not applicable to the game.

I'm really not seeing a lot of similarity between these two. "D for dwarf" was about the most confusing thing possible, as an allusion to humor, in a semi-humorous game about dwarfs.

Once you got the majority of visitors to accept that "blue text means humor" or whatever, it doesn't leave a lot of room for misinterpretation--provided you make this clear, with some kind of easy to find/read color-chart.

It's atleast not very much more obscure than the boxes, which would have to rely more on context, as a matter of course.
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Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #219 on: April 26, 2010, 05:28:06 pm »

Blue text... no. Just no. I mean, would you like to see this kind of text in a white background?
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« Reply #220 on: April 26, 2010, 05:30:58 pm »

And certainly not on a black background either.I use the dark forum theme and need to highlight any colored text to read it,most of the time.In a white background,it becomes over bright.
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« Reply #221 on: April 26, 2010, 05:46:55 pm »

More like this blue (teal, actually), which doesn't look terrible on a black or white background. The brown doesn't look awful, either.

Some of the colors work, while others I agree are terrible. Background is a definite factor here, I can't agree with that enough.
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Re: Real-world information in the Wiki?
« Reply #222 on: April 26, 2010, 05:53:15 pm »

I still say it does not really look all that good. And jokes are not as funny, or even funny at all if you say something like; this text is a joke instead of; this text is a joke.

If I have to use a color. I'd pick dark gray
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« Reply #223 on: April 26, 2010, 06:05:55 pm »

Dark grey is good, too, but a little close to black, since the point is to differentiate the text. Might work, though. 

I don't understand what you mean about the joke, though. A joke is a joke.

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« Reply #224 on: April 26, 2010, 06:08:24 pm »

Well, with different colored text you know the joke is somewhere in there. That's the problem. You can't laugh if you know the joke is coming up, You're ready for it. Just like you can't be scared as much if you know something scary is coming up soon.
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