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[G-Flex]

It would be great to have more information in the game in general, but at this point, we don't even have in-game usage explanations for these things, so real-world/fluff descriptions are a ways off, I think. It's a good suggestion, though.

In the meantime, the wiki is what we've got.

[Solarn]

LOL WE R SRS PPL DWARF FORTRESS IS SRS BSNS

Seriously, who are all these people? Most of them weren't even here for most of DF's development and the community mythos that they are now trying to co-opt or get rid of. Hell, most of them weren't here when I was last active and I'm a relative newbie!

[Draco18s]

Marble is a nonmetamorphic rock resulting from the metamorphism

(I made some adjustments for accuracy, hope you don't mind.)

I was going to say.  You can't have a nonmetamorphic rock that forms due to metamorphism.

[zwei]

Marble is a nonmetamorphic rock resulting from the metamorphism

(I made some adjustments for accuracy, hope you don't mind.)

I was going to say.  You can't have a nonmetamorphic rock that forms due to metamorphism.

My only defence is that i blindly believe wikipedia

[Draco18s]

My only defence is that i blindly believe wikipedia

What Wikipedia actually said was,

"Marble is a non foliated metamorphic rock"

[zwei]

My only defence is that i blindly believe wikipedia

What Wikipedia actually said was,

"Marble is a non foliated metamorphic rock"

My only defence is that i suck at using delete key

[Draco18s]

My only defence is that i suck at using delete key

Hehe.

[Dabi]

If you're like me then you like to learn new things.This is one of the things I like. Looking up something from Dwarf Fortress on the wiki and reading both about its real life counterpart and game. It helps me imagine it(I hate tilesets  ) and It's a quick and easy read which I may learn something from....it's not doing anyone any harm.
(Bil: Oh god look it's three lines of information which sums it up about it's real life counterpart!...[/i
John: Absolutely disgusting..how can anyone do this to the wiki!)

[Locriani]

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=DF2010:Magnetite What do we think of this sidebar?

[Tarran]

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=DF2010:Magnetite What do we think of this sidebar?

The object data needs to fill up that large empty space in the center instead of being on the side like that, or be anywhere other than where it is now. But otherwise it looks nice.

[Xgamer4]

http://df.magmawiki.com/index.php?title=DF2010:Magnetite What do we think of this sidebar?

The object data needs to fill up that large empty space in the center instead of being on the side like that, or be anywhere other than where it is now. But otherwise it looks nice.

I agree with Tarran. Stop putting stuff in the sidebar. It's pointless. No one looks there, and it's not like the center of that page is absolutely teeming with information. Put the In the real world box in the center of the page and open by default.

Honestly, do we even need the box? It looks nice, but what's wrong with just putting the information under a "In the real world:" heading?


EDIT: Original wording came across more hostile than intended.

[Footkerchief]

Yeah, I'm not a fan of putting it in the sidebar.  The sidebar is good for numerical statistics, one-word properties, etc, but cramming whole paragraphs in there just makes things feel cramped.

[Deathworks]

Hi!

Actually, I am quite used to having in-depth information in side-bars thanks to the better pen and paper RPGs (^_^;;
But given the restrictions of the computer screen, I have to agree that center and bottom of the normal page works better.

As for why we need a box, the one reasonable complaint about real life information about things not (yet) included in the game was that new users could get confused by the information and believe incorrectly that it is part of the game. If you just use a header, that may be missed- with the current stubs for stones etc. not so likely, but if you have something longer, like an article on steel production, or descriptions of different irrigation approaches in the game, you may have other subheaders and the user may in the mass overlook that header. A box gives a strong indication they are looking at something special and makes it easy to find the related heading and thus explanation of what they are looking at.

Deathworks

[Xgamer4]

As for why we need a box, the one reasonable complaint about real life information about things not (yet) included in the game was that new users could get confused by the information and believe incorrectly that it is part of the game. If you just use a header, that may be missed- with the current stubs for stones etc. not so likely, but if you have something longer, like an article on steel production, or descriptions of different irrigation approaches in the game, you may have other subheaders and the user may in the mass overlook that header. A box gives a strong indication they are looking at something special and makes it easy to find the related heading and thus explanation of what they are looking at.

Yeah, that makes sense. I dunno. It just seems like we're trying to fix a problem no one's going to have, and that's more easily fixed just by putting a note next to information for the real world that doesn't apply to dwarf fortress (yet). Especially since, with the sheer amount of effort Toady's put into the geography and geology of the world, it's almost easier to assume everything that applies in the real world, applies to Dwarf Fortress, unless otherwise noted. And I feel that sense of amazement towards how much effort Toady put in gets lost if we offset the information too much.

That said, that's not exactly the point of the wiki, either.

Honestly, I'm fine either way. I think my earlier post came across a little too hostile. I like the box, I just feel that using it loses something that it'd be beneficial to have. The only thing I really want changed is to have the information in the center of the page and not hidden and off to the side.

[G-Flex]

The sidebar is good. Cramming the raw data into the sidebar is not so good: There's simply not enough space there.

I don't understand why the object data can't just be at the bottom like it was before. That was convenient enough, no?