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Author Topic: Not all skills can be trained to legendary  (Read 8449 times)

RavingManiac

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Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« on: April 18, 2010, 06:12:45 am »

Skills such as pump operating and cleaning should only be trainable up to a certain level, such as "skilled". The appropriate stat gains, however, will remain.
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2010, 01:38:02 pm »

Legendary pump operator... what type of weird legend involves one of those.  I'm trying to imagine the climax to a story where the only solution was to pump liquids really well.
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2010, 01:41:11 pm »

Curse you for making me go there.   Be grateful I'm not going to share the terrible innuendos. 
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2010, 01:41:54 pm »

Legendary pump operator... what type of weird legend involves one of those.  I'm trying to imagine the climax to a story where the only solution was to pump liquids really well.
"Urist! Urist! The dragon Glimmerinscales the Hotness of Glittering has unleashed the dam! We will all drown if someone doesn't stop it!"
"Get my screw pump. I can turn this tide."
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« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2010, 02:24:14 pm »

Legendary pump operator... what type of weird legend involves one of those.  I'm trying to imagine the climax to a story where the only solution was to pump liquids really well.

Gather 'round children, and I'll tell you a tale, of the Hero Urist McKrakatoa...

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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2010, 02:44:56 pm »

Mayor Urist: "Well Ladies, Gentlemen, Children, Babies, and Dakost. We've finally managed t' plug the breach Dakost made in tha aquifer a month ago. I know ye were all worried, but Vucar Gikutunibked the poomps around tha clock day after day, week without stopping for rest or food or water or anythin, an' we were able to get tha masons in and wall up the breach clean as a whistle. Thanks to ol' Vucar here, we even managed t' keep oor homes from bein' flooded."

*A child cautiously raises a hand*

Mayor Urist: "Aye there little one. Ye have a question?"

Child: "Where did Vucar put all the water?"

Mayor Urist: "There wasnae time t'be picky, so Vucar flooshed it all doon the valley t' the south. The Humans say it formed a wall as tall as a colossus an' washed that ol goblin bastard Gangox right oot of is tower an into tha sea."

Cut to a goblin on a desert island beach in his bed, wearing his pyjamas

Gangox: "I think I wet the bed"

Cut back to dwarves

All: "Hooray!"

Narrator: And so the day was saved by a Pump Operator, who would live on in legend as the dwarf who drowned a thousand elves, and bowled over a goblin fortress with a tidal wave inexplicably emerging from the mountains.
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2010, 02:52:20 pm »

And so, Moshe Rabbenu arrived on the shore of the Red Sea, armed with little more than a flock of tantruming peasants and a single, finely-crafted wooden pump..
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2010, 04:03:12 pm »

What have you done...
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2010, 06:04:39 pm »

Legendary pump operator... what type of weird legend involves one of those.  I'm trying to imagine the climax to a story where the only solution was to pump liquids really well.

How many blue collar, workplace legends have existed throughout history? Think of all the times the seasoned veteran has told the rookie "you remind me of someone. Johnny Humbert was his name... he could hammer fifteen spikes and not miss a single strike. Didn't help when the TB hit him, mind you..."
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2010, 06:07:58 pm »

Aye, my friend Urist was a god among dwarves. Let me tell you, he dissected fish so well...
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« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2010, 06:24:47 pm »

Aye, my friend Urist was a god among dwarves. Let me tell you, he dissected fish so well...

Exactly. If there's a skill, anyone can be unusually skilled at it, even legendary. Why not let this apply to dwarf fortress?
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2010, 06:40:18 pm »

I'd go further and say that there's got to be a limit to the number of legendaries of a profession you can have. One legendary pump operator is silly....a whole phalanx of grizzled, pump-hardened veterans?

The same kind of applies to all professions. Four legendary engravers? Five legendary miners? Some of those sound cool...some of them sound misapplied.

But there are links to legendary status and the dwarven economy that need to be worked out too. Legendaries are great for the over all economy and fortress operations. They're often the only ones that have rooms by the time the economy kicks in. You can't yank the biggest windfall a fortress economy has without putting something back.
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2010, 06:46:36 pm »

I think legendary is really just a label. It doesn't actually mean that the dwarf in question is in legends.
For example, when Barney Stinson says something will be legendary - well, that's probably not a good example, because he probably thinks that his exploits will literally be sung about in bards' songs, but when normal people say something is legendary, it's figurative.
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2010, 07:06:44 pm »

Legendary engravers are pretty believable, actually. I mean, these are the genii who can engrave what looks like a tunnel, and have a dwarf walk into the wall.

Actually, dwarves walking into walls isn't very uncommon.

Hmm.
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Re: Not all skills can be trained to legendary
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2010, 07:19:18 pm »

Legendary pump operator... what type of weird legend involves one of those.  I'm trying to imagine the climax to a story where the only solution was to pump liquids really well.

Gather 'round children, and I'll tell you a tale, of the Hero Urist McKrakatoa...

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