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YES! (i would use it)

NO! (i would not use it, and i think it is pointless/unethical/gross etc.)

yes, but i would dissable it if it was an init option (all yes voters are assumed to be for an init option, only vote here if you think it should be included but you would not use it)

[MrWiggles]

Well any urban setting has to deal with it. And through history how to deal with city waste there have been some awesome and clever ways to handle it. Whats so gross about chamber pot and a pit filled something marked as flith?

Though I doubt the more season players would do just chamber pots and go on to make an automated water power magma cleansing sewage system. As that sounds cool.

ANd well yes, you should be able to die in any contaminant and any liquid. It would be cool to make a huge soup pot brought to a slow simmer with magma at the base and dump elves in there.

Sewage mgm. would bring a lot of design challenges to a fortress. There are plenty of natural real world penalties for not doing so. There are also in game penalties and situations that can arise. Such as having theirs, vagabonds, cultist and invaders using the sewer system. We have the z layers enough to do a sewage system. With all sights having magma, it wouldnt be that hard of a design issue. Once channels are working the way they are suppose to, it would just be a refuse dumping spot for chamber pot contents.

Which would make waste issue an early to mid fort challenge to deal with for some. 

[Sowelu]

Okay, here's a question.

For those of you who are interested in it from a waste management perspective.  How would you feel if, instead of being referred to as feces or whatever, it was labeled as "wastewater" and grouped in with other things like mine tailings etc?

Because yeah.  I like the challenge, I REALLY don't like the invitation to immaturity, and I'm a lot more happier with people on the forums going "Cover the elves with wastewater!" than I am with "Cover the elves with feces!".

[Kilo24]

I voted no, due to not particularly wanting to "drown elves in shit."

But sewer systems of generic filth would be an excellent addition, *if* they were not too problematic.  I'd personally like to see a system that comes into play with a mid-sized fortress, and presumes that smaller ones can handle their crap well enough: we don't need yet another vital system that the starting dwarves need to handle immediately.  Chamberpots could solve that, but assigning/creating another one for each room is annoying - we should try to avoid that.

Forcing dwarves to have another break in addition to the eating, drinking, sleeping, and normal breaks would be a bad idea.   Adding yet another cause for a dwarf to not, say, broker a trade to the caravan about to leave is not good.  Defecation won't be implemented at a realistic frequency, anyway.

About comparing vomit to blood, the problem is that vomit's more gratuitous, especially currently.  Chop a guy in half, you'd expect puddles of blood everywhere.  Putting your trade depot so it gets sun exposure, you wouldn't expect piles of vomit everywhere - it helps to make DF seem more cruder and inane than other games.

And if the poll had said "Yes: I want to make sewer systems" then I would have voted yes.  Saying something specific like "let's add feces" when "let's add sewers for waste management" is meant tends to imply that playing with shit detailed enough to be distinct from say, urine, is a focus of the system.  Which is not in my interest, for much the same reasons as Deathworks - if the system's there, it'll be used, and I don't like what most of it gets used for by an immature player.  That's not a whole reason to keep it out, but it's certainly less important, more production-time-consuming, and more risky than other systems that need to be in there now.

[Cruxador]

Okay, here's a question.

For those of you who are interested in it from a waste management perspective.  How would you feel if, instead of being referred to as feces or whatever, it was labeled as "wastewater" and grouped in with other things like mine tailings etc?

Because yeah.  I like the challenge, I REALLY don't like the invitation to immaturity, and I'm a lot more happier with people on the forums going "Cover the elves with wastewater!" than I am with "Cover the elves with feces!".

I would be totally cool with that. It covers the parts that matter, while skirting the part s which are apparently unbearably revolting to some. This actually seems like an ideal solution to me.

[MrWiggles]

Again with the in there now bit. No one here that I've seen is asking for waste products to be added in top proirty but to be placed on the to-do list.

The name of the waste doesn't matter to me personally. Flith liquids that spew diseases if not kept under control does.

And I disagree that it should be at a mid level fort, but it should be an issue from the get go, one of the priority that need to be handled. c1400, village waste mgm. was a community effort, and remained that way until indoor plumbing.

ANd like hygiene and grooming, that are taken care of during break periods, defecating should also happen during those periods as well. Something like once a season would be enough for me to feel that my dorf go tinkle.

[Urist McDepravity]

For those of you who are interested in it from a waste management perspective.  How would you feel if, instead of being referred to as feces or whatever, it was labeled as "wastewater" and grouped in with other things like mine tailings etc?

I believe this approach was already approved by most of people who want it. There was according thread in df mode section with discussion on sewage, where exactly this was proposed.
And yes, it should be grouped with mine tailings, carpenter's sawdust, mason's stone dust, and so on. Lack of waste from dorfs themself (and i dont mean feces. There's much more trash besides that, even from eating) and workshops is unrealistic. Any city has to have waste disposal system, which includes dumps and trash burning beside sewage.

[lucusLoC]

from the OP

also consider that this poll is not asking *how* it should be implemented, just *if*. assume that it would be implemented like you want it (generic "filth," specific "poo" etc.) please take all the discussions on how to the appropriate threads.

[Andeerz]

Perhaps it should have been labeled a "biological waste" vote rather than a "feces" vote...

Also, if this was indeed meant by the OP (which I think it is!!!), perhaps the OP should have been more explicit (though I had no trouble understanding this) in stating that this vote assumes that the "yes" vote implies implementation of feces eventually, not necessarily RIGHT NOW, and that a "yes" vote does not imply that the voter believes this to be the most pressing issue Toady should work on.

Oh, and also also, perhaps another vote should be started up that addresses not only IF people want bodily waste in the game, but also WHEN people would want it implemented.

Also also also:

if the system's there, it'll be used, and I don't like what most of it gets used for by an immature player.

Why would what other people do with the game hurt your DF experience?

[lucusLoC]

Why would what other people do with the game hurt your DF experience?

because it will make its way onto the forums.

[Andeerz]

Oh... fair enough, I guess.

[The butcher]

You know what?Im changing my mind about saying it shouldn't be put it the game.because as long as people don't act immature about it im fine.[luckily i forgot to vote last time]

[Jimmy]

What do you imagine would happen if Boatmurdered had feces as a feature?

Would you like that to be the introduction new players were given to the game?

[Cruxador]

What do you imagine would happen if Boatmurdered had feces as a feature?

Would you like that to be the introduction new players were given to the game?

Assuming it was still mixed in with the death, slaughter, fire, miasma, vomit, elephants, and magma, I reckon it'd be just fine.

[Andeerz]

What do you imagine would happen if Boatmurdered had feces as a feature?

Would you like that to be the introduction new players were given to the game?

Meh.  I wouldn't have wanted feces to be in the game at that stage of development, anyway.  Heck, I don't want it in at this time, neither.  BUT that's besides the point.

Boatmurdered was the way I was introduced to DF.  If it had poop in it, I could see what might have been done and what might have happened, but it is impossible to say how things would have gone down if poop was in existence in the game at that time.  I could speculate, though.  For those interested:
 

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

If poop was simply a thing dwarves produced from time to time as a result of eating, the mess of miasma or unhappy thoughts it would have caused would have been another obstacle the players would have had to contend with (and a realistic one at that, and I like realism) in order to keep their fort from having a tantrum spiral into oblivion.  Truthfully, I would have found it very interesting to see how the players would have dealt with the problem.  If they ended up making a poop trap (though how the hell enough poop could be collected for a practical trap given their often dire circumstances and how often dwarves would presumably poop is beyond me) to help combat the forces of darkness, then whatever; more power to them!  They had a problem, they solved it!  In that respect it wouldn't be gratuitous or immature, in my opinion.  Use of poop and pee for any reason might be immature to some, but it is not without precedence in industry and warfare.

Poop and pee in warfare is not something only immature gamers think about (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1305067/).  An excerpt, if I may:

The use of biological agents was not limited to defensive or retrograde operations. Scythian archers in 400BC and Hannibal in 190 BC were probably the first to "weaponize" biological agents. The former did it by dipping their arrowheads in feces or decaying cadavers; the latter, by launching pottery filled with poisonous snakes onto the ships of King Eumenes during the Second Macedonian War.(1-3)  Plague-infected cadavers were hurled into the fortifications of adversaries during medieval battles and during the famous Mongol siege of the Ukrainian city of Kaffa (now Feodosiya) in 1347.(1-5)  Later, the development of the trebuchet, an enhanced catapult, made it possible to accurately launch several-hundred-pound loads of manure or large piles of bodies that previously had been too heavy.(8 )  Although some authors believe cadavers were not competent plague vectors,(5) the prevailing scientific establishment of those times lacked the epidemiologic sophistication to realize this.  Biological projectiles had some strategic value -if only psychological- because their use persisted into the 20th century during the Russian Revolution, various European conflicts, and the South African Boer Wars.(7)

Interesting stuff.  If you consider the Scythians and Mongols immature for their creative use of poop, you have your reasons and I respect that.  However, I would like to point out that their use of poop in warfare was a solution to a problem and was not done just to be gross for grossness sake and getting a laugh (unless that was the entire basis for their wars, which I doubt).  I would like to be able to do this kind of stuff in-game, and bodily waste would be necessary for this.

Also, perhaps if bodily waste was in game, pee would have been used by the players as a reagent in dyeing and other industrial applications as in real life (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urine#Other_uses).  I would like for that to be in game, too 

     

In sum, feces and bodily waste in Boatmurdered probably would have actually made the game MORE appealing to me than less, and not for reasons I would consider immature.  So, yes, I would have liked that to be the introduction new players were given to the game

EDIT:  I should probably also say that I think if feces and urine were implemented in a realistic fashion (AFTER OTHER PLANNED THINGS ARE IMPLEMENTED!!!), even if the amounts produced and frequency of waste expulsion were approximated and abstracted to about the same amount of food and liquid the dwarves take in, then it would probably not be worth most players' time and resources and trouble to try to do "immature" things with them, like making a 20 x 20 x 5 room of poop & pee to drown elves in.  It is my opinion that as the challenges of fortress management become more and more realistic (which I think is what would happen when a lot of what Toady has planned comes to fruition!!!), the ability to do immature things like making a huge tower of poop made of poop blocks surrounded by a moat of pee (though impressive!) would still exist but would have compelling costs associated with them.  I doubt that someone actually trying to stave off goblin sieges (again, after warfare and other aspects of life get their planned overhauls) would be able to afford to undertake such ridiculous endeavors without risking losing their fort.  I know this statement is redundant.  I'm just trying to be clear.  Poopy poopy butts.  The End.

[Footkerchief]

For those of you who are interested in it from a waste management perspective.  How would you feel if, instead of being referred to as feces or whatever, it was labeled as "wastewater" and grouped in with other things like mine tailings etc?

I'm perfectly happy with the use of euphemisms in this case, but I'd be hesitant to 1) make it always act as a liquid/fluid (because water is definitely not the only way of dealing with waste) and 2) lump it in with other kinds of waste (because they should have different effects, for example you wouldn't get flies breeding in mine tailings).