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[Talanic]

I had a soldier break out of training to perform a stonecrafting strange mood.  She started clamoring for shells...and my fisherdwarves had already caught every last turtle in the area.  No cave lobsters either. 

So I set out (as a dabbling modder) to add shells to cows.  I figured that a cow shell would be weird but I could handle it.

No dice.  Despite cows suddenly HAVING shells, they didn't drop them when butchered.  But they did drop horns and hooves...

A visit to the material templates later, I added [SHELL] to the Horn and Hoof templates.  My moody dwarf immediately got up, grabbed some cow hooves, and made them into the artifact.

That was my last cow, though - so I wasn't able to test if a bone carver would take hooves and decorate objects with them.  So I thought I'd throw it out here and see if the real modders would have some ideas.

[GaxkangtheUnbound]

Prepare raw turtles at the fishery to get turtle and a shell.
Works for me.

[Talanic]

In theory, at least, that should work.  But...

My fisherdwarves caught about twenty turtles before declaring the stream and swamps entirely fished out.  Also, I had trouble getting them to hold onto the shells after processing the raw turtles, and so had been out of shells for years.

[Deon]

If you designate stockpiles for bones and remains, the shells go there nicely.

[Talanic]

I'll have to try again.  In the meantime, there's still the possibility that we could mod in interesting things to do with horns and hooves, which are otherwise useless (aren't they?)

[Deon]

You can burn them with the Lazureus's Crematorium .

[Flaede]

OK, a minor necro, sorry.
This is the best workaround to the "noshells" problem out there I can find. NO one's come up with a  better solution in the weeks since this was posted, at least as far as I can find.

Is this it?

Has no one found out how to create shells from reactions, or de-process imported fish, or even modded in turtle-cats? Anything? In the last version I had fossil shells, and a reaction to remove them from the rock. Since I could then import fossils, I found this very satisfactory. I can't make heads nor tails out of the current raws.

[the Dregs]

Here is one they are using on SA. It's a domestic turtle that you can buy on embark and take with you from the get-go. It's about the size of a Donkey. I heard that you can train it into a war- or hunting-turtle by adding the [TRAINABLE] tag, but I haven't tried that. They can be adopted as pets and cost the same as a dog. Just unpack it into your creature:amphibian RAW folder. I use the Mayday graphics/tiles pre-pack and the adult turtles look just like moss agates, while the babies look like rubies. Confused me at first, because I kept trying to cut gems, but they didn't show up in the jeweler's shop. Then I saw them walking.


[CREATURE:LARGETURTLE]
   [DESCRIPTION:A large reptile that carries a shell on its back for protection.]
   [NAME:large turtle:large turtles:large turtle]
   [CASTE_NAME:large turtle:large turtles:large turtle]
   [CREATURE_TILE:15][COLOR:2:0:0]
   [PETVALUE:50]
   [AMPHIBIOUS]
   [NATURAL]
   [CARNIVORE]
   [COMMON_DOMESTIC][PET]
   [BIOME:ANY_LAND]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:250:500]
   [PREFSTRING:beauty]
   [BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:RIBCAGE:SHELL]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:LEATHER]
      [REMOVE_MATERIAL:HAIR]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SHELL:SHELL_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:SKIN]
      [REMOVE_TISSUE:HAIR]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SCALE:SCALE_TEMPLATE]
      [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SHELL:SHELL_TEMPLATE]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SCALE:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
   [SELECT_TISSUE_LAYER:HEART:BY_CATEGORY:HEART]
    [PLUS_TISSUE_LAYER:SCALE:BY_CATEGORY:THROAT]
      [TL_MAJOR_ARTERIES]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHELL_POSITIONS]
   [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SINEW:SINEW_TEMPLATE]
   [TENDONS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [LIGAMENTS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:SINEW:200]
   [HAS_NERVES]
   [SPEED:2900]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
   [BLOOD:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD:LIQUID]
   [CREATURE_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
   [GETS_WOUND_INFECTIONS]
   [GETS_INFECTIONS_FROM_ROT]
   [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:PUS:PUS_TEMPLATE]
   [PUS:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:PUS:LIQUID]
   [BODY_SIZE:0:0:50000]
   [BODY_SIZE:1:0:100000]
   [BODY_SIZE:2:0:250000]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:LENGTH:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:HEIGHT:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [BODY_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:BROADNESS:90:95:98:100:102:105:110]
   [MAXAGE:100:200]
   [ATTACK:BITE:BODYPART:BY_CATEGORY:MOUTH]
      [ATTACK_SKILL:BITE]
      [ATTACK_VERB:bite:bites]
      [ATTACK_CONTACT_PERC:100]
      [ATTACK_PRIORITY:MAIN]
      [ATTACK_FLAG_CANLATCH]
   [CHILD:2][GENERAL_CHILD_NAME:baby turtle:baby turtles]
   [DIURNAL]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]
   [MUNDANE]
   [CASTE:FEMALE]
      [FEMALE]
   [CASTE:MALE]
      [MALE]
   [SELECT_CASTE:ALL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:SCALE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GREEN:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:scales:PLURAL]
      [SET_TL_GROUP:BY_CATEGORY:EYE:EYE]
         [TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:BLACK:1]
            [TLCM_NOUN:eyes:PLURAL]

[Sphalerite]

I'll have to try again.  In the meantime, there's still the possibility that we could mod in interesting things to do with horns and hooves, which are otherwise useless (aren't they?)

Horns and hooves can be used by bonecarvers to decorate items, similar to how you can decorate items with bone.  I always add the [SHELL] tag to horns and hooves in the raws even when I'm embarked on a site with turtles, because IMHO it simply makes sense for a dwarf to be able to substitute similar materials for shell.  If you're willing to accept either turtle or lobster shell for a project (two very different materials, despite both being 'shell') then using cow horn instead isn't much of a stretch.

[Grimlocke]

I added shell to chitin, makes sense to me as lobster shells are made of just that.

[Ratbert_CP]

Grrr...  Stoopid subject line...

Oh Urist boy, the shells, the shells are callin'.
From cave to cave and in the mountain side.
The magma's gone and all the Elves are thrivin'
'Tis you, 'till fell moods subside

[Ilmoran]

OK, a minor necro, sorry.
This is the best workaround to the "noshells" problem out there I can find. NO one's come up with a  better solution in the weeks since this was posted, at least as far as I can find.

Is this it?

Has no one found out how to create shells from reactions, or de-process imported fish, or even modded in turtle-cats? Anything? In the last version I had fossil shells, and a reaction to remove them from the rock. Since I could then import fossils, I found this very satisfactory. I can't make heads nor tails out of the current raws.

Assuming by turtle-cats, you mean cats that can be butchered for shells, that's fairly easy.  I don't remember *exactly* how, but basically there are 4 things you need to do in the raws, iirc:  Add SHELL to the BODY tag; add the Shell template, as a material and tissue, to the body detail plan; and add the SHELL_POSITIONS to the body detail plan.  As an example, from the LARGETURTLE posted above, the following lines are relevant:

[BODY:QUADRUPED:TAIL:2EYES:NOSE:2LUNGS:HEART:GUTS:ORGANS:THROAT:NECK:SPINE:BRAIN:SKULL:MOUTH:RIBCAGE:SHELL]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:SHELL:SHELL_TEMPLATE]
[USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SHELL:SHELL_TEMPLATE]
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHELL_POSITIONS]

I believe most people remove the hair materials/tissues, but I think that is unneccesary.

[Flaede]

OH! That's the part I missed. Thanks Ilmoran. All I was getting was "turtle cats" that only left skulls when butchered.

Ratbert - that is awesome.

[Arkenstone]

why not just add a "fossil" stone that counts as bone and shell?

Code: [Select]

[INORGANIC:FOSSIL]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:fossil][DISPLAY_COLOR:4:7:1][TILE:'²']
[ENVIRONMENT:SEDIMENTARY:CLUSTER_SMALL:100]
[IS_STONE][BONE][SHELL]
[MELTING_POINT:12970]
[BOILING_POINT:14014]

[Flaede]

why not just add a "fossil" stone that counts as bone and shell?

Code: [Select]

[INORGANIC:FOSSIL]
[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:STONE_TEMPLATE]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:fossil][DISPLAY_COLOR:4:7:1][TILE:'²']
[ENVIRONMENT:SEDIMENTARY:CLUSTER_SMALL:100]
[IS_STONE][BONE][SHELL]
[MELTING_POINT:12970]
[BOILING_POINT:14014]

Well now! That is amazing! If it works to set a rock as a shell, this is an even better re-work of my old dodge.