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[Sector 7]

It might be dangerous to your health and may be socially undesirable to some, but history has shown that tobacco is a valuable crop. It would be grown outside. A workshop would produce cigars from the tobacco, or it could be used from stone or metal pipes. It would give dwarves happy thoughts. It's main purpose, however, would be as a trade good - somewhat reminiscent of the American colonies' tobacco trade.

Good/bad idea?

[Capntastic]

It's in the dev notes, which I am certain you have read through as per Toady's suggestion  

And yeah, different locations should be prime for tobacco, and become well known for it.   Likewise, seeds from that region.   Tobacco is used culturally all over the world through various time periods.   Cigars and pipes and such would make excellent crafts.

[Squeegy]

Stoned dwarves should stumble and be more prone to messing things up. Dwarves can take ale, but they can't take tobacco.

[Capntastic]

Tobacco doesn't make you stoned.   Nicotine's a stimulant.

[Torak]

quote:Originally posted by Squeegy:
<STRONG>Stoned</STRONG>

?

[Dopefish]

Interesting idea, certainly.  But why not take it a step further, and give the ability to manufacture opiates?  That could add a whole new and interesting level to the game - perhaps drugged up dwarves would do better craft works but run the risk of psychosis.  Some drugs could possibly be used to give stat boosts to your military dwarves.

The value of hard drugs as a trade commodity would be pretty high, most likely.  And would probably only increase as whichever civilization the drugs were supplied to simply became more and more hopelessly addicted.

There'd have to be major drawbacks to turning your fortress into the drugs capital of the world, of course.  Fights breaking out, society generally collapsing, that sort of thing.

I dunno.  Maybe the thought of a fortress filled with horrendously drugged-up dwarves just amuses me far, far too much.

[AlienChickenPie]

quote:Originally posted by Dopefish:
<STRONG>Interesting idea, certainly.  But why not take it a step further, and give the ability to manufacture opiates?  That could add a whole new and interesting level to the game - perhaps drugged up dwarves would do better craft works but run the risk of psychosis.  Some drugs could possibly be used to give stat boosts to your military dwarves.

The value of hard drugs as a trade commodity would be pretty high, most likely.  And would probably only increase as whichever civilization the drugs were supplied to simply became more and more hopelessly addicted.

There'd have to be major drawbacks to turning your fortress into the drugs capital of the world, of course.  Fights breaking out, society generally collapsing, that sort of thing.

I dunno.  Maybe the thought of a fortress filled with horrendously drugged-up dwarves just amuses me far, far too much.</STRONG>

Drugs could be a nice addition to the game, especially if a noble decides to ban them and you have to deal with dozens of dwarves tantruming and vomiting all over the place as they are forced to go cold turkey, and dozens more thrown into jails of hammered for possession.

[martinuzz]

quote:Originally posted by Capntastic:
<STRONG>Tobacco doesn't make you stoned.   Nicotine's a stimulant.</STRONG>

Not true. Tobacco DOES make stoned: Marijuana is an 'upper', tobacco is a 'downer'. So if you smoke the herb pure, you get high, take off your clothes and start babbling incomprehensively. If you mix it with tobacco, you will get stoned and be to lazy to undress or babble. The tobacco actually undoes part of the uplifting effect of marijuana.
Trust me. Dutch specialty.

Confucius say: Man who stand on toilet is high on pot

[DJ]

Speaking of drugs, magic mushrooms would be a very dwarven thing. Maybe they'd raise the likelihood of fey moods or something.

Also, I'm 100% behind the hemp idea. You could weave clothes out of it, make oil out of seeds and have your dwarves smoke it to gain happy thoughts and lose productivity. It'd be a nice way to stop the downward spiral of contagious tantruming, as nobody tantrums while stoned.

[martinuzz]

"Aw.. You know... Dude... I made... I had thiz... Thiz reaally fine masterpiece adamantium plate mail I made... And.. you know.. Dude.. This little green fellow... Gob.. (*starts laughing uncontrollably for 5 minutes*).. Aw! Where waz I?.. O yeah.. Green fellow! Green! Whahahahahahahahaha... A Goblin! Whahahahahahaha! He stole... No no.. He was green! Whahahahahaha... He stole my plate! No plate..No.. No mail.. Green! Whahahahahaha! Yes!"

I'd rather have them tantrum.

[Yat]

Naturally the other races would use aswell. Armies of Berserker Goblins on PCP, stoned elves, pushers sneak into the fortress and get dwarves stoned, like the kidnappers and thieves. Finally a use for gnomeblight and golden salve

[DJ]

As Nagash, mason, cancels sleep: thizzing.

[ikkonoishi]

It would be nice to have some opiates to give the injured so they can rest without being kept up by pain.

[Sector 7]

Well, the main reason I want it is so I can have a thriving trade economy without having to put "make stone crafts" on repeat - making it possible to have an aboveground society if you're playing as humans, for instance.

...But I agree, having a variety of drugs would be a good addition to the game.

[Alfador]

I'm reminded of the plentiful array of *cough* enhancement chemicals available in Fallout and Fallout 2. Mentats for your clerk, Buffout for your mason, Psycho for your soldiers.

And Jet for the elves. To keep them coming back for more of our "trade goods."