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[Grakelin]

When I want to respond to what somebody else is saying, I usually quote their posts, and not somebody else's. Paragraphs are also effective ways to differentiate between points you are trying to make.

If you don't want to discuss something, it is usually best not to insert your opinion on it. You clearly do discuss morality with people who are not your 'peers', because you asserted your moral view into the discussion. It is admirable that you are attempting to seem civil and open-minded about us both having thoughts, but it is extremely transparent to play that card because you disagree with what the other person says.

[Renault]

Heh. Its fairly entertaining to read this, but I'm going to say we should probably call the debate now. It might be an interesting enough independent thread, though.

[psyn]

I quoted your response because you were attempting to start a conversation where there was previously none. I thought your reply was partially aimed at me, so I tried offering an explanation of why I would not involve myself. If it wasn't aimed at me, then I am sorry for the confusion.

As for my reply to Judge, yes, you are quite right, I did indeed state my opinion, as explanation for my disagreement. But a statement of opinion is not the same as an invitation for discussion. So ignore it if you will.

I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I am up 2 hours later than usual, waiting for this compilation to finish.

[Hyndis]

Derail aside, you do really just need to make a stand. This is a common problem in male-female relations.

Women think men are far more complicated than we are.

We're not.

We're very simple. 



Just tell him straight out that you're not interested in him that way. If he doesn't get it, then be forceful about it. Shoot him down basically, and do it in a way that is absolutely crystal clear.

It is better for you, and its even better for him.

Nothing pisses off guys more than women stringing them along, or at least appearing to string them along with subtle hints that they may or may not be interested in them. Stop the subtlety!

He can take the hit. Seriously. Yes it will hurt him, but better to hurt him all up front, right now, and get it over with than have him continue to be strung along, making life hell for the both of you.

[Blacken]

Nothing pisses off guys more than women stringing them along, or at least appearing to string them along with subtle hints that they may or may not be interested in them. Stop the subtlety!

Oh, please. "Take a hint" is a phrase that exists for a reason. If he's refusing to get it, it's on his own head.

[Acanthus117]

Not everyone fantasizes about people they know or are attracted to.  I don't, it feels very violating.

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I was as grossed out by Pathos's 'statement' as much as you, Renault.

[Jude]

Not everyone fantasizes about people they know or are attracted to.  I don't, it feels very violating.

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I was as grossed out by Pathos's 'statement' as much as you, Renault.

Well, men that post on these forums aren't exactly a representative sample of men at large in their social, mental or sexual habits

I stand by what I said, and like I said, may as well get used to it

Anyway, if you absolutely can't lose the creeper by saying no, then just stop giving any response whatsoever to all his attempts to contact you. According to classical behavior analysis, you should see an "extinction spike" where he becomes increasingly desperate for a short length of  time, and then his attempts rapidly drop off toward zero in the absence of reinforcement (i.e., you responding to him in any way, even to say no)

And if it doesn't work, let us know for science

[psyn]

Not everyone fantasizes about people they know or are attracted to.  I don't, it feels very violating.

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I was as grossed out by Pathos's 'statement' as much as you, Renault.

Well, men that post on these forums aren't exactly a representative sample of men at large in their social, mental or sexual habits

I stand by what I said, and like I said, may as well get used to it

It seems you hang out with the stereotypical armchair-quarterback lusting jock sort (which itself, has little basis in reality). I can attribute this to very few people I know or work with. It's usually evident who they are: they are the slacker sort who lapse and watch porn at work. I don't see them often outside of bars.

It's nothing more than a childish fantasy that all adults are sexual deviants. Hormones decrease with age. If you want to make this argument, then you had best make it for women as well, because women are neither less passionate nor more upstanding. A teenage girl is no less reticent about masturbating over the thought of a strange figure than a boy is.

[bjlong]

And bjlong, I know, I shouldnt have lost my nerve like that. It wasn't good, but I really didnt mean to do so. It just sort of happened. I'm not really good with this sort of thing. Hell, I turned to the internet for advice, so you know I'm not good at this, heh.
As for blocking him, that doesnt work. He just creates a bunch of accounts in other names and messages from those, asking why I blocked him. It was embarassing. Now I just leave an eternal away message >.>

Oh, I know how it is, believe me. I've been far too demure on many an occasion. The key is to act like you're not worried about this at all, and go into the conversation saying to yourself, literally, "Fuck you, it's me time." Don't write yourself off as "just not being good at this"--you recognized a really bad situation, and went for advice about it. And seem to be taking it. You're leagues ahead of the high school game.

Anyway, if you want my opinion, I'd say just block every account he's got, and keep up the blocking--that sends a strong message, but you'd have to deal with him face-to-face sometime. If you want to go the eternal away message route, that's fine too. The key thing is you not being around him for a while.

masturbation

Guys, move this to Gen. Discussion, please. We've got two conversation topics running in the thread, which makes it a little difficult to follow.

[Maggarg - Eater of chicke]

Women think men are far more complicated than we are.

We're not.

We're very simple. 

Quoted for absolute fact.
I am male, and I can assure you that I am about as deep and complicated as a plastic plate.

[Shades]

Quoted for absolute fact.
I am male, and I can assure you that I am about as deep and complicated as a plastic plate.

Understanding yourself is easy, which makes comparisons hard.

[DJ]

Have you tried the "I'm already involved with someone" approach?

[Hyndis]

Have you tried the "I'm already involved with someone" approach?

Don't, bad idea.

That avoids the issue. Also it invokes a lie, which she can be caught in.

Its best to be honest. Just straight out saying she isn't interested in him, and doing so plainly with no innuendo or hinting, is the best way to go.

Also I say this as a guy.

As a guy, please, PLEASE do not pussyfoot around. This is what makes relationships so difficult. Men are very simple creatures. Women think men are far more complicated than we are, and so in an effort to be complicated to a very simple creature, all sorts of things get screwed up, causing much anguish for everyone involved.

As a guy, if a woman straight out tells me she is not interested in me in that way, great! At least I know where I stand. I can then move on. The guessing game is what men are very bad at and what is the source of aggravation.

[Jude]

It seems you hang out with the stereotypical armchair-quarterback lusting jock sort (which itself, has little basis in reality).

Uh no not at all

My friends are mostly intelligent educated types

It's nothing more than a childish fantasy that all adults are sexual deviants. Hormones decrease with age. If you want to make this argument, then you had best make it for women as well, because women are neither less passionate nor more upstanding. A teenage girl is no less reticent about masturbating over the thought of a strange figure than a boy is.

Of course not

But men's sexual appetites are geared to be much more promiscuous and interested in having multiple partners then are women

[Hyndis]

Everyone has their sexual fantasies, and often times its not a good idea to share one's sexual fantasies.

This goes for any person, man or woman.

Yes, women can have their pervy sexual fantasies too. Unless you have some people who are into that sort of thing, sharing their fantasies with each other, its better to keep one's mouth shut.



And yes, probably everyone has at least one sexual fantasy that is not "mainstream". Even women do. Keep it to yourself plz.   

Thats a topic for another thread. Not this thread.

Please stop derailing it.