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[Leotto]

Akigagak mentioned "heavy weaponry (Lead, Gold, Platinum, etc)" can kill a Bronze Colossus.

Spoiler: OP (click to show/hide)

But, BCs can be killed in two ways that involve hitting it with things.

You take the head off, or chop the thing in half.
Yes, it's hard, and you'll need heavy weaponry (Lead, Gold, Platinum, etc) and luck, but it is doable.

This is I'm guessing attributed to the fact that weapons are practically impervious to damage(afaik), and now in the new version have weapon damage is affected by weight.

I'd test this myself before posting this thread, but… I'm not the exactly greatest empiricist.

[dennislp3]

I think the weight of these things simply increases the power because they affect the force....and idk that calculation....but I would suspect just by simple logic that when something heavy is moving fast it will take more to stop it...therefore even a metal demi-god made of bronze will have trouble stopping such a blow with natural armor. So technically these just make it easier to achieve said effects...as for actually killing the bastards.....well thats still a trick and a half

I think this is more true than ever because of the new layer system. As far as I know when a weapon meets a layer it kinda does a roll to see the effects it has on said layer. So when something heavy hits skin => bone => skin (on other side) it will more likely penetrate the layers (mind you that is a horrifically oversimplified model lol)

Also if you do feel the system is unbalanced and all...and right now it is certainly wonky...look at the thread for the community combat balance overhaul. It has one mod in there that affects materials and the other affects the weapons themselves to help alleviate some of the current issues...and they do a pretty good job

[NinjaE8825]

Of course, in real life, the speed at which you can swing your weapon is much more important than its weight - since all weapons of the same type have the same speed multiplier, though, weight is currently much more important in DF. The ideal solution would be, of course, to have each dwarf's Explosive Strength determine the maximum speed they can move their arm at, and Slow Strength determine how much various weights slow them down. Or something in that direction, anyway - thus, your legendary hammerdwarf, Urist Sedilbomrek with her superdwarvenly massive muscles would hit a lot harder with the artifact* gold maul than a steel one, but her squire, Sedil Uristbomrek, isn't strong enough to reach his maximum speed with anything heavier than a bronze warhammer. Not to mention that he would have little in the way of accuracy if he did try to hit someone with it.

*since you can't order your dwarves to construct weapons or armour out of anything softer or heavier than silver, IIRC.

[Morac]

Of course, in real life, the speed at which you can swing your weapon is much more important than its weight - since all weapons of the same type have the same speed multiplier, though, weight is currently much more important in DF. The ideal solution would be, of course, to have each dwarf's Explosive Strength determine the maximum speed they can move their arm at

Really? My ideal system would have Explosive strength be the kilo-ton yield of a dwarf when colliding with a solid object.

[Lord Snow]

as somebody found out in a testing thread, all materials (or metals) have the same strength at the moment. thats why only weight makes a difference at this time.


As to your claim: 50 highly skilled axedwarves have so far been unable to harm the BC in any way.
I've just given the axedwarf group a fully armored BC of their own, equipped with a platinum axe. after a few 100fps minutes, no damage.

Maybe a fix of the metal-system will eventually fix the Bronze Colossus by itself, without the Colossus needing any kind of tweak

[NinjaE8825]

What kind of axe? Great or Battle? IIRC, the main issue with bronze collosi is that they're too big for most weapons to deliver an instant-kill blow (ie, chop their head off or just in half), and being immune to all other kinds of death.
Of course, the real problem is that if you can't chop something off in one hit, you can't chop it off at all. If things were changed so that more damaged limbs were easier to chop through, everything would be a lot simpler.

[Lord Snow]

I've added 2 more BC to the dwarf team, a platinum and a lead greataxe equipped.

Didnt change a thing, everything glances away. 30 Minutes worth didnt do a thing, and any more time wouldnt add to the value (dwarves and adventurers would just die of dehydration or some crap)

[Leotto]

Comparatively… that's what matters.

Give a BC a Adi. Greataxe and he'll cut the hands and feet off of any number of BCs carrying any weapon of any material other than Adi.

But other than that scenario, I've never seen a BC actually take damage that wasn't caused by temperature.

[NinjaE8825]

Sufficiently heavy weapons can smash their limbs up pretty good.
I made a creature with bones of slade (otherwise they were basically human), and the additional weight meant that every punch shattered a limb.

[KFD]

toady definitelly needs to add in soem kind of system for super heavy weapons being improbably hard to wield. And in the case of lead, any weapon made of the stuff would be useless. It would bend under its own weight...

[Leotto]

Adamantine Coated Slade Two-Handed Sword anyone?

[Rhenaya]

Adamantine Coated Slade Two-Handed Sword anyone?

you know adamantine is very very lightweight?

[Neonivek]

Well the other issue is that without objects taking damage over time a lot of the soft but heavy materials arn't that bad.

A Gold sword that won't break or lose its edge isn't a bad weapon (if you can weild it that is)

Though don't expect any serious combat balances until it gets worked on specifically.

[dsi1]

Adamantine Coated Slade Two-Handed Sword anyone?

you know adamantine is very very lightweight?

Which is why he said Admantine coated Slade Two-Handed Sword.

The cutting power of Admantine and the density of Slade combined would be amazing.

[njero]

Adamantine Coated Slade Two-Handed Sword anyone?

you know adamantine is very very lightweight?

That's the point he was making. A ultra-heavy slade sword with a adamantine edge. Keen and weighty, more deadly than a fat philosopher.

Edit:
Bah, dsi1. You ninja you!