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Re: Sword of the Stars
« Reply #270 on: January 23, 2011, 04:11:05 pm »

There are also propaganda ships, which you could station at your colonies to boost morale, or at or near neutral empires' systems to influence them. (Or even enemies if you can get near their systems and stop, and not get killed by them sending out fleets to attack you)
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Re: Sword of the Stars
« Reply #271 on: January 24, 2011, 12:05:09 am »

I'd found out about the cutters after looking at the wiki. Never would've guessed FTL Broadband has more to it than the seemingly multiplayer-only function of seeing ally battles.
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« Reply #272 on: January 24, 2011, 12:56:48 am »

Did you notice the freighters?
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« Reply #273 on: January 24, 2011, 01:26:27 am »

No. Freighters are also part of the branch beyond FTL Broadband, and I never bothered to research that. My ally wasn't too keen on them either. That could've saved my empire back then.

That's what I dislike about the "tech tree" research system. Unless you know what comes after what, you basically have to hope the designers share the same notion of "common sense" that you do. I'd never have thought FTL broadband would be a requirement for establishing a police force, or trade routes.
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« Reply #274 on: January 24, 2011, 05:55:06 am »

Yer the description is a little misleading isn't it. Guess I'm just used to it now as I never really think about it. Unlocks all the communication techs like spying as well I think.
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« Reply #275 on: January 24, 2011, 06:21:02 am »

Several of the techs are like that. This (plus http://sots.rorschach.net in general) may be useful:
http://sots.rorschach.net/images/8/87/SOTS_ANY_1.7.1_techtree_v1.4.png

Deep scan, for instance, can save your ass by letting you see enemy fleets coming from much farther away, and letting you see what's in them. I never even knew about deep scan until a couple months ago, because it's on some branch I never thought to research. You get it from Advanced Sensors, and first need Integrated Sensors to research that. In my case, I never even bothered to research Integrated Sensors, since it didn't appear to do anything useful. You also need Integrated Sensors to research Data Correlation, which allows you to see what every ship you've run into has on it for technology.
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Re: Sword of the Stars
« Reply #276 on: January 24, 2011, 06:35:58 am »

Several of the techs are like that. This (plus http://sots.rorschach.net in general) may be useful:
http://sots.rorschach.net/images/8/87/SOTS_ANY_1.7.1_techtree_v1.4.png

Deep scan, for instance, can save your ass by letting you see enemy fleets coming from much farther away, and letting you see what's in them. I never even knew about deep scan until a couple months ago, because it's on some branch I never thought to research. You get it from Advanced Sensors, and first need Integrated Sensors to research that. In my case, I never even bothered to research Integrated Sensors, since it didn't appear to do anything useful. You also need Integrated Sensors to research Data Correlation, which allows you to see what every ship you've run into has on it for technology.
Data Correlation along with some other techs will let you build a database of observed human/zuul nodelines as well.
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« Reply #277 on: January 24, 2011, 07:00:13 am »

wait, advanced sensors allow to build sensor ships? now thats surprising.
and albeit its true that the fact, that comunication leads to frighters its not clearly in the description of the techtree, these features where explained in the manuals of the expansions that featured them. in case your "distributions" came without manuals, you can download them from kerberos. just search the forums.
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« Reply #278 on: January 24, 2011, 07:20:45 am »

wait, advanced sensors allow to build sensor ships? now thats surprising.
and albeit its true that the fact, that comunication leads to frighters its not clearly in the description of the techtree, these features where explained in the manuals of the expansions that featured them. in case your "distributions" came without manuals, you can download them from kerberos. just search the forums.

FLT communication doesn't lead to freighters, it leads to FLT broadband which in turn leads to freighters which was the point he was making. The fact the manual (not a physical manual on digital "distributions" such as steam...) has this information isn't much help, as who reads manuals anyway, and yes there is information on the forum or the wiki but 99% of players will never go to either.

The game is great, and I keep going back and play it again and again, issues like this don't effect most of the forum posters here because we are in that 1%, but don't defend a bad design choice because of that.
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« Reply #279 on: January 24, 2011, 07:31:40 am »

I think FTL Communication is a tarkas only tech which allows you to give orders to fleets that are in warp.
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Re: Sword of the Stars
« Reply #280 on: January 24, 2011, 07:56:40 am »

I think FTL Communication is a tarkas only tech which allows you to give orders to fleets that are in warp.
Um... what? Taking a half second to look at that tech tree .png would tell you FTL comms is the basic C3 tech. Everyone gets it.

You're thinking of hyper-link communications, which is the only tarkas only C3 tech.
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« Reply #281 on: January 24, 2011, 09:41:18 am »

I think FTL Communication is a tarkas only tech which allows you to give orders to fleets that are in warp.

Props for the avatar there.
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Re: Sword of the Stars
« Reply #282 on: January 24, 2011, 09:50:33 am »

What's the deal with point defense?

Isn't laser point defense always better then the gauss cannon point defense due to their higher accuracy?
What's the deal with that?
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« Reply #283 on: January 24, 2011, 10:17:22 am »

What's the deal with point defense?

Isn't laser point defense always better then the gauss cannon point defense due to their higher accuracy?
What's the deal with that?

They do about 5 to 6 times more damage which is handy against torpedoes which lasers don't kill very fast, and they have twice the range so fire earlier and despite firing slower can get more shots in. However I would agree to the benefits being marginal enough that lasers are better overall.
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« Reply #284 on: January 24, 2011, 10:40:46 am »

Ah yeah the wiki has the actual values.
I should have paid more attention :P
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