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Author Topic: Gunnerkrigg Court: Confusion, confusion everywhere!  (Read 232402 times)

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Re: Gunnerkrigg Court: Confusion, confusion everywhere!
« Reply #2520 on: March 14, 2014, 10:59:27 am »

I wonder why Jones isn't worshiped by people as some War God by this point. I mean, she seem to not give a damn about staying low profile, and also at the Dawn of Man she wrestled a dinosaur
She might have been revered in the stone age actually.  Being able to stop a 1-2 ton slab of tasty meat in its tracks when it is charging?  That has to count for something.

She is too apathetic to care about or seek attention from the looks of it.  But, it wouldn't be too farfetched for some ancient peoples to have gathered around her of their own accord and worship her.  (Then they later get wiped out for some reason or another...)
Though, one wonders if humans have tried to keep her chained/jailed indefinitely... for witchcraft and sorcery... or whatever other reason...

They might have tried, but how would they succeed? She can punch through a concrete wall. She could pinch an chains until they broke. I do wonder how Eglamore could beat her, as he says he would have a fighting chance if they were outside to fight.
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Re: Gunnerkrigg Court: Confusion, confusion everywhere!
« Reply #2521 on: March 14, 2014, 12:09:54 pm »

Also, was she trying to explode herself in order to attempt to kill herself or to test the strength of the bombs?

What in the world led you to that conclusion? It's a bomb/ammunition factory. They're both prone to accidents and enemy bombardment.

Ah, sorry, I just got what you were saying. I had my head stuck in the comic linked above and didn't make the connection to the "feel the might of the bombs" stuff in today's page.
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« Reply #2522 on: March 14, 2014, 02:10:08 pm »

Upon seeing the latest comic all I could think of doing was this:
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Re: Gunnerkrigg Court: Confusion, confusion everywhere!
« Reply #2523 on: March 14, 2014, 02:37:19 pm »

Jones used to be a dick.

"Sorry kid, you're dead. kthxbai."
Jones is an emotionless golem-thing whose only emotions are likely curiosity and ennui.
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Re: Gunnerkrigg Court: Confusion, confusion everywhere!
« Reply #2524 on: March 14, 2014, 02:43:22 pm »

If those are even emotions by themselves, and not just states of being that we view through the lens of creatures that experience emotions all the time.
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« Reply #2525 on: March 14, 2014, 03:05:12 pm »

If those are even emotions by themselves, and not just states of being that we view through the lens of creatures that experience emotions all the time.
Even then, Jones can likely be characterized by her curiosity. There's not much evidence I guess, but she did try to tick Annie off to see her reaction, and now she's waiting to see how powerful a WWII bomb is.

She is called the Wandering Eye, after all. I guess learning stuff is kind of her purpose of un-life.
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« Reply #2526 on: March 14, 2014, 05:41:03 pm »

I'm surprised that people keep talking about Jones as if she's not alive or that her life is somehow less fulfilling than a normal person's.
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Re: Gunnerkrigg Court: Confusion, confusion everywhere!
« Reply #2527 on: March 14, 2014, 07:33:18 pm »

I suspect that she's Science.
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« Reply #2528 on: March 15, 2014, 06:42:05 am »

I'm surprised that people keep talking about Jones as if she's not alive or that her life is somehow less fulfilling than a normal person's.
She literally does not have a soul
Technically, she's right about how she isn't alive.

But I guess she is "alive" in the sense that Robot is.
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Re: Gunnerkrigg Court: Confusion, confusion everywhere!
« Reply #2529 on: March 16, 2014, 12:25:05 am »

Err, do we actually know she doesn't have a soul?  That's one of those tricky things that may or may not be so (depending on whether Jones is accurate in saying she is "not alive", which itself may not be so, and whether emotion is materially linked to having a soul), but at the least, your comparison brings up an interesting point.  It is actually a reasonable presumption, and one that I hold, to claim that the robots possess enough of a "soul" to materially affect (or at least, be affected by) the Ether.  It's a relatively common assumption that the way Zimmy, who is unusually attuned to the Ether, sees Kat is the same as the way robots see Kat, so it's not much of an extension to assume that robots, at the least, have enough of a soul to be affected by the Ether.  Furthermore, assuming the theories of Coyote are true, they may also be able to affect the Ether in turn insofar as they may have created a deity in Kat (or a deity of Kat); remember, the Court robots did not start calling Kat an angel until after Robot began proselytizing, but once he had been for a while, it eventually reached a point where he could convince other robots simply by having them take a single look at Kat.  A counterargument is, of course, that Muut stated outright that he doesn't deal in machinery when Anne found the dead Tick-Tock after falling off the bridge, but then, we've never seen the Tick-Tocks buying into the Cult of Kat that Robot's been espousing; only the descendants of Diego's work seem to follow that particular concept. 
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« Reply #2530 on: March 16, 2014, 03:33:25 am »

Err, do we actually know she doesn't have a soul?  That's one of those tricky things that may or may not be so (depending on whether Jones is accurate in saying she is "not alive", which itself may not be so, and whether emotion is materially linked to having a soul), but at the least, your comparison brings up an interesting point.  It is actually a reasonable presumption, and one that I hold, to claim that the robots possess enough of a "soul" to materially affect (or at least, be affected by) the Ether.  It's a relatively common assumption that the way Zimmy, who is unusually attuned to the Ether, sees Kat is the same as the way robots see Kat, so it's not much of an extension to assume that robots, at the least, have enough of a soul to be affected by the Ether.  Furthermore, assuming the theories of Coyote are true, they may also be able to affect the Ether in turn insofar as they may have created a deity in Kat (or a deity of Kat); remember, the Court robots did not start calling Kat an angel until after Robot began proselytizing, but once he had been for a while, it eventually reached a point where he could convince other robots simply by having them take a single look at Kat.  A counterargument is, of course, that Muut stated outright that he doesn't deal in machinery when Anne found the dead Tick-Tock after falling off the bridge, but then, we've never seen the Tick-Tocks buying into the Cult of Kat that Robot's been espousing; only the descendants of Diego's work seem to follow that particular concept.

The robots are likely made out of material that possess Etheric energy.
Jones is pretty much not even a spirit of controlling an object. She is just basically a force of nature that happened to be sentient.
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« Reply #2531 on: March 16, 2014, 04:43:47 am »

Jones is pretty much not even a spirit of controlling an object. She is just basically a force of nature that happened to be sentient.
And also happened to look like a modern day human from the get-go.  (Which in my opinion seems overly convenient.)
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« Reply #2532 on: March 16, 2014, 04:56:15 am »

Jones is pretty much not even a spirit of controlling an object. She is just basically a force of nature that happened to be sentient.
And also happened to look like a modern day human from the get-go.  (Which in my opinion seems overly convenient.)
Nothing to say the god who created humans just made the humans look like Jones for shits and giggles.
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« Reply #2533 on: March 16, 2014, 06:37:08 am »

Nothing to say the god who created humans just made the humans look like Jones for shits and giggles.

There wasn't a god. Human belief retroactively created Jones.
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« Reply #2534 on: March 16, 2014, 11:02:51 am »

Jones is pretty much not even a spirit of controlling an object. She is just basically a force of nature that happened to be sentient.
And also happened to look like a modern day human from the get-go.  (Which in my opinion seems overly convenient.)
Nothing to say the god who created humans just made the humans look like Jones for shits and giggles.
There were cavemen before modern humans, so there was evolution in the Gunnerkrigg Universe.  Or I guess people can still somehow subscribe to bullshit 'intelligent design'... actively happening while Jones was wandering around.
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