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[druid91]

One of my miners encountered a cave crocodile in the caverns, I was going to right him off as dead but he managed to stay ahead of it all the way to the hematite room just below the entrance. this is when he decided to stop being an elf and Take down a giant cave crocodile without getting so much as a scratch. Well anyway this guy is now my militia commander. But how? I thought combat was harder now?

[darius]

'r' can show combat reports now.

I guess it was pick to the skull and crock is dead.

[druid91]

I just checked, A pick to the head was how it ended but it began with the dwarf deflecting a cave crocodile with a dress and then breaking every limb and picking it in the upper body, man cave crocs are weak it just passed out after the first hit.

[Snall]

To be fair a metal pick to the anywhere would mess up pretty much any normal animal.

[druid91]

But weren't cave crocs huge, destructive, beasts in the last version?

[Keolah]

Cloth is the new plate armor.

[MathijsBuster]

I just checked, A pick to the head was how it ended but it began with the dwarf deflecting a cave crocodile with a dress and then breaking every limb and picking it in the upper body, man cave crocs are weak it just passed out after the first hit.

After reading this I decided to stop avoiding the cave croc in my cavern and sent two relatively untrained militia dwarves to kill the damn thing.

... Oh the blood. I can now safely confirm that not all Cave Crocodiles are weak. 

[scriver]

Cloth is the new plate armor.

"Dwarves, arm yerselves! Take up yer ax! Don yer dresses!"

[Stargrasper]

Cloth is the new plate armor.

No kidding.  I took an adventurer straight out of the box (attrubuteless, mostly skilless except for swordsmanship) to attack an elven retreat.  All he had was a bronze sword and cloth armor.  He killed thirty elves before getting killed.  He had ~20 elves on top of him with another six shooting arrows from afar at the time he was suffocated.  I don't think his clothes ever were so much as frayed.  Btw, none of those arrows EVER touched him...he deflected every last one with his clothes.

[OTRaw]

Cloth is the new plate armor.

"Dwarves, arm yerselves! Take up yer ax! Don yer dresses!"

Sig'd.

[Urist McCyrilin]

'r' can show combat reports now.

I guess it was pick to the skull and crock is dead.

You have struck Aligator brain!

[CursedBurger]

I'm pretty sure picks are better weapons than any of the blunt weapons currently, if one berserk miner taking down my entire military is any indication...

[Beanchubbs]

Yeah, blunt weapons are pretty much teh suck now. No more gobbo baseball :\

Cloth is the new plate armor.

"Dwarves, arm yerselves! Take up yer ax! Don yer dresses!"

I lol'd so hard

[Todestool]

Cloth is the new plate armor.

I think I just figured out why this is.  Check the material_template_default raw -> thread_plant_template (near the end).  Shear_yield and shear_fracture are both set to 600,000.  These values are used in combat calculations for edged weapons, and Toady said he used tensile strength (in kPa) for them.

As comparison, metals have all these set to 520,000(yield) and 860,000(fracture) (Toady got these values from stainless steel) and wood is set to 40,000 (from pine, says the Toad).  Therefore, any plant cloth is harder to cut through than steel!  Density plays a part, but this is a very big influence (see Nimbo's research).  As teeth and claws are edged/pointed attacks for animals, these numbers affect them as well.  I would recommend changing the values something a bit higher than human skin (20,000), such as 30,000.

Silk is set to 1,150,000 and 1,200,000 (!), so I recommend toning that down as well, perhaps to 40,000 (same as wood).  I don't dispute that these are accurate tensile strengths, though I haven't looked up most of them, but their values are just not functional in the combat calculations currently in use.

EDIT: Leather has these values set to 25,000, so that may need some rebalancing as well.

[druid91]

I just checked, A pick to the head was how it ended but it began with the dwarf deflecting a cave crocodile with a dress and then breaking every limb and picking it in the upper body, man cave crocs are weak it just passed out after the first hit.

After reading this I decided to stop avoiding the cave croc in my cavern and sent two relatively untrained militia dwarves to kill the damn thing.

... Oh the blood. I can now safely confirm that not all Cave Crocodiles are weak. 

See that was more what I expected. but then again this is the same dwarf who was locked in the mines from the start of the fortress, hunting ceaselessly for the underground. So he wasn't what you would call "untrained."