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[G-Flex]

I was looking through the raws, and can't actually find anything that distinguishes between dwarves and elves physically, except that either tends to have different attributes at different levels. I couldn't find anything about, say, elves being taller or dwarves being stouter/broader, or anything else like that at all.

This seems odd to me, for the humanoid races to get less physically differentiated in the current version than they were before, considering that the options for differentiating them have increased so much.

Am I just missing something?

[thvaz]

Yes. Dwarves, elves and goblins were all the same size. Toady overlooked this fact or this is intentional?

[G-Flex]

Being the same overall size I can understand, since the biggest difference between, say, a dwarf and an elf is that one is wide while the other is tall, and right now the game doesn't care if size comes from height or width or length or whatever.

In the last version, there were at least [STOUT] and [DAMBLOCK] and that sort of thing, though to differentiate them beyond simple size differences.

[Knight Otu]

In 40d, elves were size 7, narrow, and I believe had a negative damblock. Dwarves were size 6, stout, and had a damblock of 1. Since size is now a volume, it doesn't seem too outlandish that elves and dwarves have the same size. Goblins being the same is a bit of a stretch there, though. In any case, I do agree that the appearance modifiers need to be individualized for the different species.

[smjjames]

Well, given that dwarves are suppoused to be on average, 3-4 feet tall, I would think that Elves would be about the same as an average human, but yea, thats only a difference of maybe two or three feet.

Volume-wise though, it would be similar since dwarves are suppoused to be more compact and somewhat denser.

[Ohtar]

It's worth noting that goblins are also the same size as dwarves now (as I recall). If you can successfully repel a siege, I'd imagine that there's some good looting there.

[smjjames]

It's worth noting that goblins are also the same size as dwarves now (as I recall). If you can successfully repel a siege, I'd imagine that there's some good looting there.

I suppouse that means the end of vast piles of unwearable narrow clothing and armor from goblin ambushes and sieges?

[Cheshire Cat]

hooray i dont have to eventually magma burn all that goblin crap i get from so many damned sieges. i can also be an elf in adventure mode (which of course i will never EVER even consider, as a good df player. ever.) and grab and wear stuff from my abandoned fortress. or in fortress mode buy stuff from the elves (as if, because i am of course a proper df player who seizes elven caravans and starves the elven caravaneers into insanity, then burns them.) and make my dwarves wear it.

does this mean that goblins are comparably tougher vs dwarves then they were in previous versions? i seem to recall them being slightly smaller with a lower damblock. i also recall the random goblin siege being led by adopted elves, and elves wearing iron were insanely hard. all that retarded speed. is that still in the game?

[opsneakie]

The big advantage here is that you can now trade/steal armor and equipment from the elves, and goblin sieges will leave you with plenty of weaponry and armor for your dwarves (although I've noticed my goblins at least have a strange preference for silver weapons).

I'm happy to not be constantly melting 9000 narrow items

[smjjames]

Or having to set aside stockpiles for said unuseable narrow items.

It'll really crash the clothes industry since there is now no incentive to make their own, just steal them off of elves or use whatever goblin stuff isn't too torn up.

[FACM]

Or having to set aside stockpiles for said unuseable narrow items.

It'll really crash the clothes industry since there is now no incentive to make their own, just steal them off of elves or use whatever goblin stuff isn't too torn up.

I very rarely actually had dwarves wear clothes I made. Seems they'd have rather just worn XXpig tail sockXX for their entire life than realize it's now a bit of dental floss wrapped around their foot.

[Greiger]

You would allow your dwarves to wear goblin or elf clothing?  Blasphemy!  Those clothes are probably infested with fleas, and you'll never get the stench out.  Atom smash the clothes and melt down the metal, nobody will use any of that garbage until it is properly purified.

*I wonder if it would be possible to make a custom workshop that takes any piece of "(clothing)" uses up a bar of soap and a bucket of water and outputs that same item of clothing just removing the imported parenthesis...

(Yes I had a custom fortress race that was the proper size to wear invader clothing, I find it too easy to outfit your military using invader gear)

[MaxMan]

You would allow your dwarves to wear goblin or elf clothing?  Blasphemy!  Those clothes are probably infested with fleas, and you'll never get the stench out.

I second that... ELF COOTIES! ewwww.

[Bauglir]

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[PsyberianHusky]

Is all dwarves being the same size intentional, or is that gonna change back, I would like to think there is some difference between creatures