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[Lysabild]

I'm gonna ask again in hope of some good response, how does one make civilizations more succesful without just making them not require food and drink?

[UristMcHuman]

I'm adding a reaction to gather rope reed thread from the earth. My RAWs are here:

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[REACTION:FORAGE_THREAD_ROOT]
          [NAME:forage root thread]
          [ADVENTURE_MODE_ENABLED]
          [PRODUCT:100:1:THREAD:REED_ROPE:NONE:PLANT_MAT:THREAD][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:15000]
          [SKILL:HERBALISM]

Product line should be [PRODUCT:100:1:THREAD:NONE:PLANT_MAT:REED_ROPE:THREAD][PRODUCT_DIMENSION:15000]

I fixed it. Thanks!

[TomiTapio]

I'm gonna ask again in hope of some good response, how does one make civilizations more successful without just making them not require food and drink?

i would make them breed faster (higher littersize, shorter childhood),
and give them more size, speed, strength, agility to survive worldgen battles better.

Make a placeholder reaction so they can use steel, and no other metals.
Allow the entity to thrive on any biome. (biome_support:any_land:10 or such)
Allow them to use animals (horses) as mounts, might help in worldgen battles.
Allow them only one good weapon, like a halberd. (no blunts)
Active in all four seasons, might change how they behave in worldgen.

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   [RIVER_PRODUCTS]
   [OCEAN_PRODUCTS]
   [OUTDOOR_WOOD]
   [OUTDOOR_FARMING]
   [USE_ANY_PET_RACE]
   [USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS]
   [COMMON_DOMESTIC_PACK]
   [COMMON_DOMESTIC_PULL]
   [COMMON_DOMESTIC_MOUNT]
   [COMMON_DOMESTIC_PET]
   [USE_MISC_PROCESSED_WOOD_PRODUCTS]
   [METAL_PREF]
   [GEM_PREF]
   [STONE_PREF]
   [EQUIPMENT_IMPROVEMENTS]

And [MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:2] to 25
   [MAX_POP_NUMBER:1500] to 20000
   [MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER:50] to 900

[Lysabild]

Why no blunts? I thought Silver Warhammers were the best weapon in the game.

[Kipi]

I'm gonna ask again in hope of some good response, how does one make civilizations more succesful without just making them not require food and drink?

There are several things that affect the chance of survival, though none of them is 100% certain alone.

• Raise the maximum age by several decades. The longer the creature lives the higher population due all the births. This will also ensure more capable fighters
• Decrease the time of childhood. The sooner the creature comes adult the sooner it can take part in fights. Also, adults aren't kidnapped by other races.
• Make them physically stronger. All physical stats affects in this. Strength, agility, toughness, everything.
• For goblins the not requiring food or drink is actually mandatory, or so it was some time ago. This is because they are carnivores and the game mechanisms doesn't handle food gathering of carnivores yet, thus causing goblins to die to starvation/dehydration after few years.
• Changing the MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER in entity file higher would help the survival rate of the.
• Generally anything that affects the maximum number of creatures in one civilization and the number of civilizations of that entity will affect the survival rate and thus the chance of actually getting that entity as neighbor.

Note that if you beef up one entity too much it can very well end up wiping other civilizations to extinction. Happened to me several times.

[SongGarde]

I'll try to more accurately detail my request, as my dabbling seems ineffective. I'm trying to make the skin layer of my creature to be made of a tough material, for example shale. Everything I do seems to end up with the creature -still- being as vulnerable as ever, as if I never changed the creature. (I even go so far as to delete the region and create a new world every time I change something) Anywho, here's where i'm at now.

From the tissue_template_default file (Notice how I even changed the Relative_thickness and Healing_rate values to seemingly ridiculous values. No result.)

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[TISSUE_TEMPLATE:SHALESKIN_TEMPLATE]
   [TISSUE_NAME:skin:NP]
   [SCARS]
   [TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:SHALE]
   [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:300]

   Lower is faster.
   [HEALING_RATE:1]

   [VASCULAR:1]
   [PAIN_RECEPTORS:5]
   [CONNECTS]
   [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]

From the b_detail_plan_default file. (Done to supposedly reference the new material template I made)

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[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHALESTANDARD_MATERIALS]
   This command is just a shortcut for the similar lines (USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE|<token>|<template>) in a creature definition.
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SKIN:SHALESKIN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:FAT:FAT_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:MUSCLE:MUSCLE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:BONE:BONE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:CARTILAGE:CARTILAGE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:HAIR:HAIR_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TOOTH:TOOTH_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:EYE:EYE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:NERVE:NERVE_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:BRAIN:BRAIN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LUNG:LUNG_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:HEART:HEART_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LIVER:LIVER_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:GUT:GUT_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:STOMACH:STOMACH_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:PANCREAS:PANCREAS_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SPLEEN:SPLEEN_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:KIDNEY:KIDNEY_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:LEATHER:LEATHER_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:TALLOW:TALLOW_TEMPLATE]
   [ADD_MATERIAL:SOAP:SOAP_TEMPLATE]

And lastly from the creature file itself, at least the parts that are relevant

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      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
         [USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:HORN:HORN_TEMPLATE]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHALESTANDARD_TISSUES]
         [USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:HORN:HORN_TEMPLATE]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHALESTANDARD_TISSUES]
      [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]

What am I doing wrong that is preventing the changes from at least being apparent? Humans with their carving knives can still cut me with extreme ease.

[Dwarfu]

What am I doing wrong...

In the creature file, you have 2 [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHALESTANDARD_TISSUES] lines; I'm assuming that detail plan uses the shaleskin_template somewhere..
It never loads the detail plan for SHALESTANDARD_MATERIALS.

[SongGarde]

In the creature file, you have 2 [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHALESTANDARD_TISSUES] lines; I'm assuming that detail plan uses the shaleskin_template somewhere..
It never loads the detail plan for SHALESTANDARD_MATERIALS.

So I need to remove the excess "[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS][BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:SHALESTANDARD_TISSUES]" and make a SHALESTANDARD_TISSUES, having both the materials and tissues referencing the tissue template?

[SongGarde]

Eugh. I was able to get rid of some nuisance by using this piece of code modified from the bronze colossus:

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      [TISSUE:ADAMANTINE]
         [TISSUE_NAME:adamantine:adamantine]
         [TISSUE_MATERIAL:INORGANIC:ADAMANTINE]
         [MUSCULAR]
         [FUNCTIONAL]
         [STRUCTURAL]
         [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:3]
         [CONNECTS]
         [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
      [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:ADAMANTINE]

But this seems like overkill. I've added a Shale version of both materials and Tissues that only affects the skin to b_detail_plan_default and referenced them in the creature file, but they didn't show up until I did this, and made my creature 100% shale. And yes, I know this is Adamantine. The Shale version died just as fast, as normal, even though it properly said that shale parts of my creature were being chipped away. I wanted to see if it was -actually- changing the material proper of the creature.

[Angel Of Death]

I have another question. How do I successfully get a syndrome into a stone? I've been trying and horribly failing.

[EDIT] This is the stone

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[INORGANIC:TOXIN]
[ITEM_SYMBOL:'*']
[STONE_NAME:toxin]
[STATE_NAME:SOLID:toxin]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:toxin]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:toxic puddle]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:toxic gas]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:7:1]
[TILE:156]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:30]
[SPEC_HEAT:129]
[MELTING_POINT:1]
[BOILING_POINT:0]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:lost one disease]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_SWELLING:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
[CE_BLISTERS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
[CE_OOZING:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
[SOLID_DENSITY:19320]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:17310]
[MOLAR_MASS:196967]
[IMPACT_YIELD:175000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:350000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:175000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:350000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97] bulk modulus 180 GPa
[TENSILE_YIELD:50000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:100000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:64] young's modulus 78 GPa
[TORSION_YIELD:50000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:100000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:185]
[SHEAR_YIELD:50000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:100000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:185] shear modulus 27 GPa
[BENDING_YIELD:50000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:100000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:64]
[MAX_EDGE:1000] no swords until you can pick mats
[ITEMS_HARD]
[IS_STONE]

I'm pretty sure it needs to be [SYN_INHALED] for gasses.

It does.  SYN_CONTACT only works if the object is a contaminant (extract, blood, cave-in dust, etc).

Adding the SYN_INHALED dosen't work. The syndrome still does nothing.


[EDIT] I made a typo. That's why it didn't work. Anyway, how do I make the disease act faster?

[EDIT] It STILL does nothing D:

[trees]

I've had very little luck with getting syndromes that usually affect specific body parts (necrosis, blisters, oozing, etc) to work with inhalation, but I've seen FBs do it with noxious secretions, so I guess it must be possible.

[Angel Of Death]

Alright, how do I get it to effect the whole body's skin?

[trees]

Something like this:

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[CE_NECROSIS:SEV:100:PROB:100:VASCULAR_ONLY:START:50:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
It will also accept MUSCULAR_ONLY in that spot, I think, but I'm not quite sure how that works.

[Angel Of Death]

I'll test it out with it only affecting the vascular system, if that dosen't help, I think we need to call in the veteran modders.

[INORGANIC:TOXIN]
[ITEM_SYMBOL:'*']
[STONE_NAME:noxious acid]
[STATE_NAME:SOLID:frozen noxious acid]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:noxious acid]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:noxious puddle]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:noxious acid]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:noxious acid burns]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_INHALED]
[CE_SWELLING:SEV:100:PROB:100:LOCALIZED:VASCULAR_ONLY:START:1:PEAK:50:END:2000]
[CE_BLISTERS:SEV:100:PROB:100:LOCALIZED:VASCULAR_ONLY:ALL:SKIN:START:1:PEAK:50:END:2000]
[CE_OOZING:SEV:100:PROB:100:LOCALIZED:VASCULAR_ONLY:ALL:SKIN:START:1:PEAK:50:END:2000]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:7:1]
[TILE:156]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:30]
[SPEC_HEAT:129]
[MELTING_POINT:1]
[BOILING_POINT:0]
[SOLID_DENSITY:19320]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:17310]
[MOLAR_MASS:196967]
[IMPACT_YIELD:175000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:350000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:175000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:350000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97] bulk modulus 180 GPa
[TENSILE_YIELD:50000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:100000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:64] young's modulus 78 GPa
[TORSION_YIELD:50000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:100000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:185]
[SHEAR_YIELD:50000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:100000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:185] shear modulus 27 GPa
[BENDING_YIELD:50000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:100000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:64]
[MAX_EDGE:1000] no swords until you can pick mats
[ITEMS_HARD]
[IS_STONE]

It still dosen't work.

[Trapezohedron]

I have another question. How do I successfully get a syndrome into a stone? I've been trying and horribly failing.

[EDIT] This is the stone

Code: [Select]

[INORGANIC:TOXIN]
[ITEM_SYMBOL:'*']
[STONE_NAME:toxin]
[STATE_NAME:SOLID:toxin]
[STATE_ADJ:ALL_SOLID:toxin]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:LIQUID:toxic puddle]
[STATE_NAME_ADJ:GAS:toxic gas]
[DISPLAY_COLOR:6:7:1]
[TILE:156]
[MATERIAL_VALUE:30]
[SPEC_HEAT:129]
[MELTING_POINT:1]
[BOILING_POINT:0]
[SYNDROME]
[SYN_NAME:lost one disease]
[SYN_AFFECTED_CLASS:GENERAL_POISON]
[SYN_CONTACT]
[CE_SWELLING:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
[CE_BLISTERS:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
[CE_OOZING:SEV:100:PROB:100:RESISTABLE:START:50:PEAK:1000:END:2000]
[SOLID_DENSITY:19320]
[LIQUID_DENSITY:17310]
[MOLAR_MASS:196967]
[IMPACT_YIELD:175000]
[IMPACT_FRACTURE:350000]
[IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97]
[COMPRESSIVE_YIELD:175000]
[COMPRESSIVE_FRACTURE:350000]
[COMPRESSIVE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:97] bulk modulus 180 GPa
[TENSILE_YIELD:50000]
[TENSILE_FRACTURE:100000]
[TENSILE_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:64] young's modulus 78 GPa
[TORSION_YIELD:50000]
[TORSION_FRACTURE:100000]
[TORSION_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:185]
[SHEAR_YIELD:50000]
[SHEAR_FRACTURE:100000]
[SHEAR_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:185] shear modulus 27 GPa
[BENDING_YIELD:50000]
[BENDING_FRACTURE:100000]
[BENDING_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:64]
[MAX_EDGE:1000] no swords until you can pick mats
[ITEMS_HARD]
[IS_STONE]

I'm pretty sure it needs to be [SYN_INHALED] for gasses.

It does.  SYN_CONTACT only works if the object is a contaminant (extract, blood, cave-in dust, etc).

Adding the SYN_INHALED dosen't work. The syndrome still does nothing.


[EDIT] I made a typo. That's why it didn't work. Anyway, how do I make the disease act faster?

[EDIT] It STILL does nothing D:

You might want to add [MAT_FIXED_TEMP:XXXX] somewhere in your raws and set it just to be a little bit higher than the boiling point. That will ensure that it will boil and turn into gas immediately.

[MAT_FIXED_TEMP:10060]
[MELTING_POINT:12059] - random number, just conjured to ensure that the thing doesn't melt.
[BOILING_POINT:10000] - setting it to be lower than the material's fixed temperature will make it boil.

Note that you want the thing to boil, if you want it to turn into gas, and as such, make the [MELTING_POINT] higher than the boiling point and it's fixed temperature.

Lastly, the gas will barely work with creatures; it will take several tries to make the creature get infected with the syndrome. Making sure that the victim is adjacent or directly on top of the source of the gas will increase the chances of the syndrome infecting the creature. AKA, make sure that the creature is engulfed in a "cloud" of the syndrome, getting engulfed by a "burst" of the syndrome will do nothing.