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[EmperorJon]

Yes.

[FaultyLogic]

Then what the fluff am I doing wrong? All I did this time was cut reptile men from it's original file and placing it in my own.

[TomiTapio]

Meanwhile, deep inside the fine tunings of the Genesis worlds...

The jade caste are fast learners at everything. (my tuning: except martial skills and cooking and boring milk/potash skills.)
They have 180% learning rate and almost everyone else has 115%. (Vanilla's 100% is better suited for forts that survive 7-20 years, because there are only gobboes.)

I was thinking if drop jaders' 180 masonry and 180 carpentry down some, maybe to 140, and give some other caste 190 carpentry. But which caste?
Obsidians work with fire, metals, hammers (boost to military hammer skill I gave). Aspids got Flattery and Persuasion (toadying). Mossers got medicine. Shroomers, slighty stupid, good at farming stuff. Gloomers got nothing but worries.

Yeah might be logical to have a "crafter" caste of carpentry, masonry, woodcrafting, bone- and stonecarving, engraving. But... probably way too much high-quality items would result, ultimate expensive items without anyone getting a mood. Yup, should nerf jade-smarties' 180% crafting somewhat. to 140. And are the smartypants supposed to learn social skills exceptionally quickly?

I shall give gloomers carpentry and masonry 150, 10 better than jaders. "Gloomers feel they can trust stone and wood and bones."

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      [SKILL_RATES:100:60:12:120] 100, not 115% xp, they don't work as hard as other castes.
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:CARPENTRY:150] better than jaders' 140
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:MASONRY:150]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:BONECARVE:150]

And my current for jaders:

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      [SKILL_RATES:180:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:COOK:70:60:12:120] --dwarves aren't good cooks. They should be exporting metal items, not chef salads.
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:CARPENTRY:140] better than average dorf's 115
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:MASONRY:140]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:DETAILSTONE:140]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:WOODCRAFT:140]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:STONECRAFT:140]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:BONECARVE:130]
      -- leatherwork, looming, spinning, tailoring, base rate of 180 is okay, they do the work smarter and better.
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:SMELT:130] --boring labor, they get distracted
      
      --jades should not have spent teen years as cheeser/potasher/othercrap, they're smarter than that      
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:ANIMALCARE:90]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:MILK:90]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:CHEESEMAKING:90]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:EXTRACT_STRAND:120] patience-oriented task
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:LYE_MAKING:80]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:POTASH_MAKING:80]
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:WOOD_BURNING:90]  --boring labor, they get distracted
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:FISH:140] --fishing requires smarts and patience
      [SKILL_LEARN_RATE:PROCESSFISH:80] --boring labor, they get distracted
      
      --not superior social talents
      [SKILL_RATE:PERSUASION:120:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:NEGOTIATION:140:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:JUDGING_INTENT:190:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:LYING:130:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:INTIMIDATION:80:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:CONVERSATION:130:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:COMEDY:80:60:12:120] -low-brow humor works better at other castes
      [SKILL_RATE:CONSOLE:120:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:PACIFY:100:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:LEADERSHIP:100:60:12:120] --Steelers are leaders, not jaders
      
      --jades should not be kung-fu masters and elite platemail-wearers.
      [SKILL_RATE:DODGING:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:MELEE_COMBAT:110:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:SNEAK:150:60:12:120] --for hunters
      [SKILL_RATE:CRUTCH_WALK:220:60:12:120]
      
      [SKILL_RATE:ARMOR:80:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:SHIELD:110:60:12:120]
   
      [SKILL_RATE:DAGGER:145:60:12:120] --the smarties' choice
      [SKILL_RATE:CROSSBOW:125:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:BOW:125:60:12:120]
      
      [SKILL_RATE:AXE:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:BITE:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:BLOWGUN:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:GRASP_STRIKE:80:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:HAMMER:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:MACE:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:MILITARY_TACTICS:170:60:12:120] plans
      [SKILL_RATE:MISC_WEAPON:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:PIKE:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:RANGED_COMBAT:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:SIEGEOPERATE:120:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:SITUATIONAL_AWARENESS:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:SPEAR:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:STANCE_STRIKE:80:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:SWORD:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:THROW:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:WHIP:90:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:WRESTLING:90:60:12:120]

And now I give social talents boost to steelers. Intimidation & charisma
and as a further result, gloomers become much worse at partying and consoling!

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      --awful social talents
      [SKILL_RATE:LEADERSHIP:10:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:PERSUASION:20:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:PACIFY:10:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:NEGOTIATION:10:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:JUDGING_INTENT:160:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:INTIMIDATION:100:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:CONVERSATION:130:60:12:120] --Gloomers have bizarre but fascinating topics
      [SKILL_RATE:COMEDY:10:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:CONSOLE:10:60:12:120]
      [SKILL_RATE:LYING:80:60:12:120]

Come give the Genesis mod a try!

[Kweri]

Then what the fluff am I doing wrong? All I did this time was cut reptile men from it's original file and placing it in my own.

Without seeing your file, it's a bit hard to tell what the issue is.

You said you put them in your own file - is the name of this file creature_xxx.txt (with xxx being anything) and the very first lines in your file:

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creature_xxx (replace with filename minus .txt extension)
[OBJECT:CREATURE]
If this doesn't help, pretty sure we're going to need to see your file to diagnose further.

[FaultyLogic]

I had forgotten about the [OBJECT: CREATURE] token. Very herpaderp.

Thanks Kweri.

[The Scout]

What am I supposed to do to make them bleed, but not die? And use basic stuff like that.

instead of giving them blood which will always bleed out eventually, add some liquid-containing sacs to their body and call the liquid "blood". The "blood" will seep out when the sac get damaged but they'll never actually die from blood loss I think

Could someone give an example?

[3]

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[USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:BLOOD:BLOOD_TEMPLATE]
[TISSUE:BLOOD]
[TISSUE_NAME:blood:NP]
[TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:BLOOD]
[RELATIVE_THICKNESS:1] #Probably needs to be a lot higher
[CONNECTS]
[TISSUE_MAT_STATE:LIQUID]
[TISSUE_LEAKS]
[TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
[TISSUE_LAYER_UNDER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:BLOOD]
Untested, but theoretically fine. Obviously if there are body parts you don't want to bleed you'll have to change the layer line.

[Reelyanoob]

@scout: i've only dabbled in creature tokens, but i think this is what would do it (taken from the creature token wiki page) :

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TISSUE_LAYER_UNDER: Adds the tissue layer under a given part.

For example an Iron Man has a gaseous poison within and this tissue (GAS is its name) has the token [TISSUE_LEAKS] and its state is GAS so when you puncture the iron outside and damage this tissue it leaks gas (can have a syndrome by using a previous one in the creature sample.)

[TISSUE_LAYER_UNDER:BY_CATEGORY:ALL:{tissue}]
      {tissue} is what will be under the TISSUE_LAYER

here is an example Tissue from Iron Man:

[TISSUE:GAS]
[TISSUE_NAME:gas:NP] [TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:GAS] [TISSUE_MAT_STATE:GAS] [RELATIVE_THICKNESS:50] [TISSUE_LEAKS] [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]"

This is all the wiki says, might need a little tweaking, i'm assuming {tissue} relates to the token "GAS" (or rename GAS to BLOOD_LAYER or something you like), and the TISSUE_MAT_STATE should be LIQUID for your blood maybe. I don't know if this would work, but it's taken from a working creature with a similar behaviour to what you want.

EDIT : ninja'd with a working version, seems to use the same basic idea though

[The Scout]

Thanks. Having problems with tissue now.

Tissue Template

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[TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NECRO_SKIN]
        [TISSUE_NAME:rotting skin:NP]
        [SCARS]
        [TISSUE_MATERIAL:LOCAL_CREATURE_MAT:NECRO_SKIN_TEMPLATE]
        [CONNECTS]
        [TISSUE_SHAPE:LAYER]
Creature

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[BODY:HUMANOID_ARMLESS:SPIKE_ARMS:etc]
                  [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_MATERIALS]
                  [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_TISSUES]
                  [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:VERTEBRATE_TISSUE_LAYERS:SKIN:FAT:MUSCLE:BONE:CARTILAGE]
                  [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:STANDARD_HEAD_POSITIONS]
          [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_HEAD_POSITIONS]
          [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RIBCAGE_POSITIONS]
          [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:HUMANOID_RELSIZES]
                  [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:SPIKE:NECRO_SKIN]
                  [TISSUE_LAYER:BY_CATEGORY:SPIKE:NECRO_SKIN]
Error log

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NECROMORPHS:SLASHER:right spike, layer 1: Tissue NECRO_SKIN was not found, using first tissue instead
NECROMORPHS:SLASHER:right spike, layer 2: Tissue NECRO_SKIN was not found, using first tissue instead
NECROMORPHS:SLASHER:left spike, layer 1: Tissue NECRO_SKIN was not found, using first tissue instead
NECROMORPHS:SLASHER:left spike, layer 2: Tissue NECRO_SKIN was not found, using first tissue instead

Another thing before I can start doing this stuff on my own, how do I make it have a mouth with teeth?

[3]

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NECROMORPHS:SLASHER:right spike, layer 1: Tissue NECRO_SKIN was not found, using first tissue instead

USE_MATERIAL_TEMPLATE:NECRO_SKIN_TEMPLATE:NECRO_SKIN_TEMPLATE
USE_TISSUE_TEMPLATE:NECRO_SKIN:NECRO_SKIN

how do I make it have a mouth with teeth?

...use a teeth bodypart like with anything else?

[Barnox]

I've recently entered into a "Mod the most badass dwarf" competition in an online community I am part of.
I just have a few questions.

1. If I give my dwarves the "Lays eggs unusual" tag, when would they lay such eggs? Or would they at all?
1a. Using the "Lays eggs unusual" tag, is it possible to lay living creatures? Or is there any way to do this using secretions or special attacks?
2. Is it possible to define and launch bladed items as a natural attack, like those of Magma Crabs? And to attach a syndrome to the attack?
3. Can you make limbs regrow?
4. Is there a value you can use to have dwarves fill with blood faster than they lose it? I know you can just remove blood, but that isn't half as much fun.

[Reelyanoob]

1. A Nest box. which they will sit on whenever not busy if their "egg" is left there.

1a. Vermin only. This works in reactions (look up the recent killer "artificial bee" thread), may work with unusual eggs tag too.

2. Look up the exploding ammo etc for syndromes, copy the main attack from the crabs.

3. no way in hell.

4. no idea, probably upping the healing rate for the tissue or whole creature.

[Barnox]

Ah, thank you.
That should start me off nicely.

[Reelyanoob]

Almost forgot: Unusual eggs are layed at a rate of 1 per season, and the dwarves a ready to lay the first unusual egg at embark time.

Don't forget to make your dwarves tissues out of slade + adamantine. Have them crap out adamantine battle-axes, picks and slade warhammers.

[Barnox]

Do dwarves still attempt to wash off any secretions they have on themselves?
For instance, if babies and children secreted a contact fluid anti-Goblin poison, would it work, and would they always walk back and forth, washing it off?