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[Hydrall]

Hmm, my race still can't trade with itself, and I remain unable to figure out what I'm doing wrong...

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[ENTITY:SKY]
[CIV_CONTROLLABLE]
[ADVENTURE_TIER:4]
[CREATURE:KASIYU]
[TRANSLATION:HUMAN]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_FOREST:4]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:MOUNTAIN:3]
[BIOME_SUPPORT:ANY_RIVER:1]
[LIKES_SITE:TREE_CITY]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CAVE_DETAILED]
[TOLERATES_SITE:CITY]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE:1]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POP_SIEGE:3]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PROD_SIEGE:0]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE_SIEGE:0]
[PROGRESS_TRIGGER_POPULATION:1]
  [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_PRODUCTION:1]
    [PROGRESS_TRIGGER_TRADE:0]
[ACTIVE_SEASON:SUMMER]
[START_BIOME:ANY_TROPICAL_FOREST]
[START_GROUP_NUMBER:12]
[MAX_POP_NUMBER:8500]
[MAX_SITE_POP_NUMBER: 115]
[MAX_STARTING_CIV_NUMBER:100]
[DEFAULT_SITE_TYPE:CITY]
[SIEGER]
[MERCHANT_BODYGUARDS]
[WANDERER]
[BEAST_HUNTER]
[SCOUT]
[VARIABLE_POSITIONS:ALL]
[RELIGION:PANTHEON]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:TREES]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:JEWELS]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:TRAVELERS]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:SKY]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:THUNDER]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:MIST]
[RELIGION_SPHERE:MOON]
[GEM_PREF]
[METAL_PREF]
[STONE_PREF]
[OUTDOOR_WOOD]
[OUTDOOR_FARMING]
[USE_ANIMAL_PRODUCTS]
[USE_MISC_PROCESSED_WOOD_PRODUCTS]
[CURRENCY:BRONZE:4]
[CURRENCY:COPPER:1]
[CURRENCY:SILVER:5]
[CURRENCY:GOLD:15]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_WHIP]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_BATTLE]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_MACE]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_BOW]
[AMMO:ITEM_AMMO_ARROWS]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_AXE_TRAINING]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SWORD_SHORT_TRAINING]
[WEAPON:ITEM_WEAPON_SPEAR_TRAINING]
[DIGGER:ITEM_WEAPON_PICK]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_BREASTPLATE:RARE]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_MAIL_SHIRT:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_LEATHER:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_SHIRT:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_CLOAK:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_TUNIC:COMMON]
[ARMOR:ITEM_ARMOR_VEST:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_HELM:UNCOMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_CAP:COMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_HOOD:UNCOMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_TURBAN:UNCOMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_MASK:RARE]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_VEIL_HEAD:UNCOMMON]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_VEIL_FACE:RARE]
[HELM:ITEM_HELM_SCARF_HEAD:UNCOMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_SHOES:RARE]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_BOOTS:UNCOMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_BOOTS_LOW:UNCOMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_SANDAL:COMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_CHAUSSE:UNCOMMON]
[SHOES:ITEM_SHOES_SOCKS:UNCOMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_PANTS:UNCOMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_GREAVES:UNCOMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_LEGGINGS:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_LOINCLOTH:UNCOMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_THONG:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_SKIRT:UNCOMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_SKIRT_SHORT:COMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_SKIRT_LONG:UNCOMMON]
[PANTS:ITEM_PANTS_BRAIES:UNCOMMON]
[SHIELD:ITEM_SHIELD_BUCKLER]
[INSTRUMENT:ITEM_INSTRUMENT_DRUM]
[INSTRUMENT:ITEM_INSTRUMENT_FLUTE]
[CLOTHING]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CARPENTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BOWYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCUTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ENGRAVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MASON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_CARETAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_TRAINER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HUNTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRAPPER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ANIMAL_DISSECTOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FURNACE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAPONSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARMORER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BLACKSMITH]
[PERMITTED_JOB:METALCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GEM_CUTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GEM_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOODCRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:STONECRAFTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LEATHERWORKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_CARVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WEAVER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLOTHIER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLASSMAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISHERMAN]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISH_DISSECTOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:FISH_CLEANER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CHEESE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:COOK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:THRESHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MILLER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BUTCHER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TANNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DYER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PLANTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:HERBALIST]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BREWER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTASH_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:LYE_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:WOOD_BURNER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:MECHANIC]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_ENGINEER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SIEGE_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PUMP_OPERATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:CLERK]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ADMINISTRATOR]
[PERMITTED_JOB:TRADER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:ARCHITECT]
[PERMITTED_JOB:DIAGNOSER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:BONE_SETTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SUTURER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:SURGEON]
[PERMITTED_JOB:GLAZER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:POTTER]
[PERMITTED_JOB:PRESSER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SOAP_MAKER]
[PERMITTED_BUILDING:SCREW_PRESS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:TAN_A_HIDE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:RENDER_FAT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_SOAP]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRASS_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BRONZE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ELECTRUM_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BILLON_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_FINE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_FINE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_TRIFLE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_TRIFLE_MAKING2]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PEWTER_LAY_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:BLACK_BRONZE_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:STERLING_SILVER_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:ROSE_GOLD_MAKING]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MILL_SEEDS_NUTS_TO_PASTE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_BRICKS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_LARGE_CLAY_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_CRAFTS]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_JUG]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_STATUE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_LARGE_POT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:GLAZE_CRAFT]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_OIL]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_CLAY_HIVE]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:PRESS_HONEYCOMB]
[PERMITTED_REACTION:MAKE_WAX_CRAFTS]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:NAME_WAR]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:WAR:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:NAME_BATTLE]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:BATTLE:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:NAME_SIEGE]
[SUBSELECT_SYMBOL:SIEGE:VIOLENT]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:ROAD:NAME_ROAD]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:TUNNEL:NAME_TUNNEL]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:BRIDGE:NAME_BRIDGE]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:WALL:NAME_WALL]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:REMAINING:NATURE]
[CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:SUBORDINATE]
[CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:UNTOWARD]
[CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:NEGATIVE]
[CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:UGLY]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:CIV:NAME_ENTITY_KINGDOM]
[SELECT_SYMBOL:SITE:NAME_ENTITY_TOWN_FOUNDER]
[CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:NEGATOR]
[EQUIPMENT_IMPROVEMENTS]
[ART_IMAGE_ELEMENT_MODIFIER:ITEM:32]
[ART_IMAGE_ELEMENT_MODIFIER:PLANT:384]
[ART_IMAGE_ELEMENT_MODIFIER:TREE:512]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENTITY_MEMBER:JUSTIFIED_IF_SELF_DEFENSE]
[ETHIC:KILL_NEUTRAL:ONLY_IF_SANCTIONED]
[ETHIC:KILL_ENEMY:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:KILL_PLANT:ACCEPTABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_AS_EXAMPLE:JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_INFORMATION:JUSTIFIED_IF_EXTREME_REASON]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_FOR_FUN:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:TORTURE_ANIMALS:UNTHINKABLE]
[ETHIC:TREASON:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:OATH_BREAKING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:LYING:PERSONAL_MATTER]
[ETHIC:VANDALISM:MISGUIDED]
[ETHIC:TRESPASSING:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:THEFT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:ASSAULT:PUNISH_SERIOUS]
[ETHIC:SLAVERY:PUNISH_CAPITAL]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_OTHER:SHUN]
[ETHIC:EAT_SAPIENT_KILL:MISGUIDED]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAME_RACE:APPALLING]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_SAPIENT:SHUN]
[ETHIC:MAKE_TROPHY_ANIMAL:ACCEPTABLE]
[WORLD_CONSTRUCTION:WALL]
[WILL_ACCEPT_TRIBUTE]
[BUILDS_OUTDOOR_FORTIFICATIONS]
[BANDITRY:8]

[Dwarfu]

Hmm, my race still can't trade with itself, and I remain unable to figure out what I'm doing wrong...

Try defining a liaison type position that has [RESPONSIBILITY:ESTABLISH_COLONY_TRADE_AGREEMENTS].

[Knight Otu]

Hmm, my race still can't trade with itself, and I remain unable to figure out what I'm doing wrong...

From the look of it, they have no access to common_domestic animals, and thus no easy access to wagon_pullers and pack_animals, and I don't think there are many in tropical forests. If the lack of common domestic animals is intended, you could try adding such a creature to the tropical forests and giving it the ubiquitous tag to make sure they are in all those.

[Hydrall]

Aha! That last one fixed it, thank you.

[Minnakht]

Can I have a tutorial on implementing reactions? Just the general method, I'll try to work with the samples you give me instead of bringing my sloppy work here...

You see, I'm trying to mill rock at a millstone or a quern to obtain ground rock, which goes in a bag. I took the gypsum plaster-making reaction for this and just changed some parts...

Then, I want to use three bags of milled rock at a smelter to create a bar of iron, but preserving the bags, and this reaction also has another boulder as a preserved reagent, in a catalyst-like fashion.

How would you write such reactions?


Nevermind, forgot to let dwarves perform the reaction at all. I have to modify entity_default for that...

Disregard me, I'm new

[Will_Tuna]

How to mod out all vermins? rats/toads/flies of al sorts

honnybees and ants can stay because there not really annoiance

[Chaoseed]

Can dwarves be made milkable?  Or, let's say I mod my game to have intelligent cows as a playable race, and I make a Cow Fortress. Can I milk my female Carpenter Cows, for example?

[Sutremaine]

Sure, but careful with who gets the milking jobs. For shearing, if a creature is looking for an animal to shear and finds itself, it will lay on the floor in an agony of indecision until the job is cancelled. I would expect milking to be the same way.

[Spectre Incarnate]

Moving this and deleting the other one, cause I don't think Farce saw this. If there's anything I'm very wrong about or doesn't need to be changed cause it won't affect anything, let me know, as I'm still learning myself.

What am I doing wrong?

Make sure you check for an errorlog in the DF main folder.

entity_orc - it's in a separate entity file, not under entity_default.  That's not the problem, is it?

You can have separate files as long as they're labeled right, and it looks like yours is fine. I do it too, and it's a good habit so things don't get confusing and you can easily transfer them to new versions.

Okay, looking at the raws...

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Unless it was intentional, you might want to add a few [CULL_SYMBOL:ALL:xxx], otherwise you could end up with orc places with pretty, lovely, flowery names. 

They start in cities, but then they try to move to ruins and caves? You could try adding [LIKES_SITE:CITY] and see if that helps them prosper a little, but I'm just guessing at that one.

[CREATURE_TILE:o][COLOR:2:0:0]
[CREATURE_SOLDIER_TILE:o]

I think the soldier tile is only needed if it's different than the creature tile. Probably not a huge deal though.

2HEART

There is no such thing as a 2HEART body tag. You can't just add a number to that, it's just a tag name. You could call it POOP and it would still be a heart if you gave it heart parameters. lol You will have to make a tag and specify the two hearts and what they are used for. Look under the body_default for the HEART and 2LUNGS for an idea of how that works and then make your own body_orc file with that one new part. I have two hearts for my centaurs, but one is larger and located in the lower body but it works the same way, so let me know if you have any trouble.

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[BODY_SIZE:0:0:2000]
[BODY_SIZE:1:0:25000]
[BODY_SIZE:5:0:75000]
[BODY_SIZE:9:0:85000]
[BODY_SIZE:60:0:100000
[MAXAGE:40:95]

Is that intentional? 9 years old they are 85 kg and then they grow to 100 kg at age 60? Not saying it wouldn't work or that you can't do it, but consider the age limit you gave them starting at 40. If they can possibly die of old age at 40, should they be growing again at age 60? Just curious what that's all about, really.

[PROFESSION_NAME:CROSSBOWMAN:marksorc:marksorcs]
[PROFESSION_NAME:MASTER_CROSSBOWMAN:Elite Marksorc:Elite Marksorcs]

You don't have crossbows in your entity file.

I'm impressed with the attention to detail on the PERSONALITY ranges. Very extensive! Just remember that a lack of some personality trait ranges will hinder or prohibit some skills. I didn't analyze the list though, so I'm not picking at anything in particular.

[PRONE_TO_RAGE:x]

This is under debate. It's a new tag and we're unsure if it makes a creature default to a rage state. But you do need a number here I believe. Start with 1 and see what happens?

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[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:GRAY:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[TLCM_TIMING:ROOT:45:0:130:0]
[TL_COLOR_MODIFIER:WHITE:1]
[TLCM_NOUN:hair:SINGULAR]
[TLCM_TIMING:ROOT:75:0:150:0]

I don't know if this is a problem, but your orcs don't live that long. You started their old age at 40 and maxed it at 95. For reference, dwarves' maxage is 150-170, so that's why their gray and white hair growth stopping points are higher.

[TISSUE_LAYER_APPEARANCE_MODIFIER:WRINKLY:0:0:0:0:0:0:0]
[APP_MOD_RATE:1:YEARLY:0:100:60:0:NO_END]

Same deal here. 60 is when you wanted body size to grow again, so why would they start to get wrinkly skin at 60?

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Also, I used to have [SAVAGE] in the creature_orc file.

That would restrict orcs to Savage areas. Did you make high Savage worlds so that they are more likely to survive?

Also, the whole point was to sorta give them redundant organs - will it help them survive getting stabbed in one heart, or do they just bleed to death twice as fast or something?

I think it helps them, cause I think my centaurs take a little bit more to go down now that they have two hearts. You might want to experiment more than me, cause I wasn't really too concerned by that, going for aesthetics mostly. Give everyone in arena mode a bunch of spears and watch them poke each other to death.

Similarly, I'm really confused as to how custom body parts work.  Specifically, I want to make a cat, with a hand for a head, and in the palm and fingers are all mouths of razorteeth.  ...How would I go about that?

Molding new parts is not something I know how to do yet, sorry.

Good luck!!

[Jeoshua]

First step, DF goes through ALL files and assigns the objects to their proper places.  Then it processes them.  There should be no problems with moving entities or items or whatever out of files into their own area.

Personally I want to experiment with [OBJECT] tags.  Would they work if you had:

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combo_testor

[OBJECT:CREATURE]
  [CREATURE:TESTOR]
    yadda yadda

[OBJECT:ENTITY]
  [ENTITY:TEST]
    [CREATURE:TESTOR]
    yadda yadda


Seems like it might but requires more science.

Right now I'm trying to replace the racial tags of Deon's Nords and Osmen with [CREATURE:HUMAN] all, to see if I can make a multi cultural race.  I know that using multiple [CREATURE] tags picks one at random, but what about using one creature for multiple entities? I've never seen it done but I think it begs a try.

[Spectre Incarnate]

Personally I want to experiment with [OBJECT] tags.  Would they work if you had:
<code>

File names need to start with "creature" or "entity" or "body"...etc to determine what type of object file it is.

...but what about using one creature for multiple entities? I've never seen it done but I think it begs a try.

If you want different attributes, innate skills, population ratio, appearance, and stuff like that, you can just make separate castes for each culture, but keep in mind genetics don't exist, so they'll interbreed and make random children. If you want each caste to have different weapons/clothing/ethics but still be the same entity... I have no clue, but I'm interested in hearing what you find out.

[Jeoshua]

Oh no.  I wasn't thinking about using multiple castes.  Maybe for general types like "Strong" or "Smart" or "Useless" or whatever, but basically I'd like, for example, Nordic immigrants to be able to breed with Osmen.  Their children would be members of whatever civilization they became a part of, not just outsiders who can only breed with their own kind.

Aaaand it works.  You can have multiple entities with the same creature type.  Once immigrating to a site, the people breed as normal.  In my case, the only unintended side effect was that the cities are now called "Human Town of Blahdeeblah" instead of "Nord town of Blah".

In Legends mode, it appears that my civs, who have very different ethics, are actually going to war with each other.  I have never seen humans warring with other humans before, so this must be the different civs fighting.  I can tell they are separate since they're using different LAnguage files (one is english, the other finnish).

So, I guess that's a mission accomplished, eh?  Now I just need to make MANY human civs with different ethics, weapons, and languages.  They'll all report as human but they will be beholden to civs with different ethics.

YAY SCIENCE!

[TolyK]

accessing the "flame" material - how?
also: any ideas on making a flamethrower with this (well, a plasma gun really ) without it burning the user?

[Jeoshua]

Quick question:

If I told you there was a race of people who lived exclusively in the desert, would you think they were elves? Or humans?

[Will_Tuna]

humans