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[Pickerel]

Also, another question.  Does anyone have a link, or know where I can find, a building raw for a building that looks exactly like a furnace?  Such as like the glass furnace and wood furnace, all of which look alike?  I want to make a new furnace that looks like a furnace, but actually modding something that specifically, I think it might be beyond me...

[Askot Bokbondeler]

i doubt you'll find that, specifically, but this might help you

[Sutremaine]

From my above message, I should also specify that I don't want them to be able to bring seeds or any part or product from the plant at embark...

I fooled around a little and couldn't produce seeds via reaction when there are no seeds anyway. Just inserting a material template into a plant causes blank seeds to be produced, and omitting the :SEED part of the reaction causes it to produce nothing at all. I didn't think they'd work, but I thought I'd check anyway.

Using a reaction to turn one plant into another works fine though. I made one up to make fisher berries out of nothing, and it worked without the berries or their products being available on embark.

[Pickerel]

But my only objective was to not have my dwarves have anything to do with the plant until A. discovered later as they dig deeper, or B. If I could, through a civ capable of bringing them that only appeared late game...

Anyway, alternate question: The raws themselves.  You see, my reaction raws are getting extremely cluttered and difficult to work with.  I noticed that in the Genesis mod, they have additional raw text documents.  If I were to add a .txt file, and in it place, at the top, [OBJECT:REACTION], would I be able to put reactions in this new file and have them actually work in the game?  That is to say, would dwarf fortress be able to read a random .txt file?

[Shandra]

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Not sure.... as I since some time wanted to have a "Rumpelstiltskin" as a toy (yeah, I love the Brother Grimms and the true origin (but not interpretation) of words*1) I just added it in items_toy and then allowed it in entity_default.... no problem since. And I may assume that you have regened the world after adding those entries - only thing I see as a possible fault is simply a typo Sorry!

This is pretty strange.
What have you added in entity_default?

P.S.
This is the toy code:

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item_toy_random

[OBJECT:ITEM]

[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_ANGEL]
[NAME:Angel:Angel]

[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_APOLLO]
[NAME:Apollo:Apollo]

[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_AQUALAD]
[NAME:Aqualad:Aqualad]

[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_AQUAMAN]
[NAME:Aquaman:Aquaman]

This is what i add to entity_default:

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[TOY:ITEM_TOY_ANGEL]
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_APOLLO]
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_AQUALAD]
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_AQUAMAN]


My entries are simply as

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item_toys:
[ITEM_TOY:ITEM_TOY_XXX]
[NAME:Rumpelstiltskin:Rumpelstiltskins]
[HARD_MAT]

and in entity_default:
[TOY:ITEM_TOY_XXX]

And voila, the elfes can get their wooden splints in using it, dorfs and real man stick to glass and metal products....
(P.S.: Ok, they don't buy wooden products, so maybe they know the risk)

So eventually it is the [HARD_MAT] token thats not in your definition and whats missing.?. ...

[Sutremaine]

But my only objective was to not have my dwarves have anything to do with the plant until A. discovered later as they dig deeper, or B. If I could, through a civ capable of bringing them that only appeared late game...

The plant the dwarves discover has no products or seeds and is not edible raw. So it doesn't appear on the dwarves' trade list. The plant they farm is produced by a reaction that takes the first plant as a reagent, and has seeds and products and all that stuff. You can have them named the same as long as the entry names themselves are different.

For civ access, you could make it an evil or good plant and give it the ability to use it to a trading race with high progress triggers, and only that race. I think that would work.

If I were to add a .txt file, and in it place, at the top, [OBJECT:REACTION], would I be able to put reactions in this new file and have them actually work in the game?  That is to say, would dwarf fortress be able to read a random .txt file?

Yes, so long as the file has the file name (without the file extension) on the first line and the [OBJECT:REACTION] underneath it. The filename should also be in the same format as the vanilla ones -- whatever goes after OBJECT: has to be part of the file name. So your reaction file would have to be called reaction_new.txt or reaction_pickerel.txt.

[Pickerel]

Neat!  Thanks!

Next question: How would I go about NOT having a specific hotkey on a reaction.  For example, [BUILDING:RED_GLASS_SHOP:CUSTOM_J].  How does one denote no CUSTOM_J hotkey for example?

[Sutremaine]

[BUILDING:RED_GLASS_SHOP:NONE]

[Greiger]

Instead of putting a key put in "NONE"  Without the quotes.

Like [BUILDING:CRUDE_SHOP:NONE]  for example


EDIT: CURSES!

[Pickerel]

Thanks guys! 

Next one: Is there a way to make the building labor dependent on the material used?  For example, normal (unoriginal) furnaces will require metalcrafting for those built with bars, masonry for stone...

[Pickerel]

And Another One:

I have almost everything working just fine.  Here is an example.

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[REACTION:MAKE_RED_GLASS_RAW]
   [NAME:Make raw ruby glass]
   [BUILDING:RED_GLASS_SHOP:CUSTOM_G]
   [REAGENT:sand:1:NONE:NONE:INORGANIC:NONE]
      [REACTION_CLASS:SAND]
   [REAGENT:bag:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [CONTAINS:sand]
      [BAG]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:pearlash:1:BAR:NONE:PEARLASH:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:GLASS_RED]
   [FUEL]
   [SKILL:GLASSMAKER]

ALL my reactions, however, now have a quirk.  Each time I use it, it produces exactly 150 of the product in question.  For example, if I use the above reaction once, I have 150 raw ruby glass (called rough ruby glass because it is not ACTUALLY glass, I just wish it were) flooding my building.  Which item here is determining the quantity, and how do I set it to the correct amount?  The raws don't seem to have any good examples for this case... Should I just slap [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT] everywhere?

[Jay]

And Another One:

I have almost everything working just fine.  Here is an example.

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[REACTION:MAKE_RED_GLASS_RAW]
   [NAME:Make raw ruby glass]
   [BUILDING:RED_GLASS_SHOP:CUSTOM_G]
   [REAGENT:sand:1:NONE:NONE:INORGANIC:NONE]
      [REACTION_CLASS:SAND]
   [REAGENT:bag:1:BOX:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [CONTAINS:sand]
      [BAG]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:pearlash:1:BAR:NONE:PEARLASH:NONE]
   [PRODUCT:100:1:ROUGH:NONE:INORGANIC:GLASS_RED]
   [FUEL]
   [SKILL:GLASSMAKER]

ALL my reactions, however, now have a quirk.  Each time I use it, it produces exactly 150 of the product in question.  For example, if I use the above reaction once, I have 150 raw ruby glass (called rough ruby glass because it is not ACTUALLY glass, I just wish it were) flooding my building.  Which item here is determining the quantity, and how do I set it to the correct amount?  The raws don't seem to have any good examples for this case... Should I just slap [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT] everywhere?

I'm not entirely sure what that tag does, but that 150 means there's an issue with your BARs.  150 is the unit dimension of a single BAR.
I guess if it works the way I think it does, if you put it on the BAR, you'll get 150 uses out of said bar.
Change the BAR's reagent quantity to 150 to make it one full bar.

[Pickerel]

Someone else at one point said that the game couldn't necessarily handle fractions of bars, but they weren't sure... I think I am going to go test this out.  It would be cool if it turns out that we can use 1/150th of a bar, because I have been trying to find a way to mimic the fact that, for example for ruby glass, SO LITTLE gold is actually needed for coloring... I'm going to go test it out.  I'll tailor the reaction in various ways to try it...

[Jay]

Someone else at one point said that the game couldn't necessarily handle fractions of bars, but they weren't sure... I think I am going to go test this out.  It would be cool if it turns out that we can use 1/150th of a bar, because I have been trying to find a way to mimic the fact that, for example for ruby glass, SO LITTLE gold is actually needed for coloring... I'm going to go test it out.  I'll tailor the reaction in various ways to try it...

The game can handle fractions of bars, yes, but in custom reactions, it seems to just multiply your reaction's products by the fraction (so if you make it 1/3 of a bar (50) you make three instead of one), though I don't know about that DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT tag.

Also, that someone else was probably still me

[Pickerel]

I just figured out just what you just said, just before reading the post ^.^  The tag did not do anything, so I wondered, what if it is multiplying the reaction, so I put 50 by the pearlash, and sure enough, I got 3 raw red ruby.  This is awesome because it could allow me to mimic actual amounts of gold used for ruby glass, but bad because it is almost immediate, taking only one use of the glassmaking skill, rather than using a bar up over ten uses...  So I think I will have to go with one of my other ways of mimicing the small amount of an impurity for coloring needed, like having the building require the object to build the furnace in which it is produced... Or just have it require 15 sandbags full of sand, and 15 pearlash, and then one gold bar, and just deal with the fact that we'll only get one skill use for 15 units...